How can we better mobilize for Men’s Rights?

Forcetobereckonedwit · 2022-12-29T06:39:16+00:00

https://open.substack.com/pub/bettinaarndt/p/the-power-of-many?r=os441&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

DAVIA, it's legit and growing, international and going after misandry on a legal level.

Also Bettina's blog/column/newsletter whatever, is a fantastic resource.

OrionBartholomew · 2022-12-29T14:29:26+00:00

You can't. That men control society is one of the biggest lies ever told. Women and women's state violence proxy/sugar daddy/state husbandry, aka a handful of wealthy and powerful men, won't allow it. Trump wasn't men's friend. He took the tax write off that men mostly got for paying child support and gave it to women, the majority collectors of child support. How messed up is that? MRAs are on life support. MGTOW was mostly banned/demonetized.

Chivalry, Courtly Love and Gynocentrism are all used to ensure men remain in a subservient and obsequious slave role to women and women's state husbandry. The male-only draft is alive and well and we're headed for another world war.

It'll never happen. The best you're ever going to do is to opt out without actually saying so. If they find out you're opting out on purpose, they'll do whatever they can to destroy you.

That's the harsh reality.

NeoLosman · 2022-12-29T06:39:07+00:00

Before we retread this ground("How can we do men's rights better, despite the fact that we've achieved very little since this iteration of The MRM kicked off in '14, and the movement is now in a state of irreversible stagnation?"), let's instead take a collective step back, and ask if it's even wise for The MRM to have a future at all https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/zbdflx/does_the_mens_rights_movement_have_a_future/

What's said in Meyer's article about environmentalism ( "At the most general level, they argue that environmentalists must persuasively connect their concerns with a narrative about “our core values as Americans and . . . our vision for the future.” Shellenberger and Nordhaus argue that this has been done effectively by the right, but largely ignored on the left. True enough. Yet to understand their critique, we must first distinguish its two parts. The first is an attack on the myopia of technocratic policy wonkism, while the second is a critique of the narrow construction of “the environment.” The first could be advanced against an array of groups or movements in contemporary American poli- tics, but the second is distinctive only to envi- ronmentalism. To focus public attention on specific policies, one by one, is to turn interconnected con- cerns into discrete issues. As Werbach puts it, “American environmentalism and its sister ide- ology, liberalism” have stripped public concerns of “their context and their web of connections. They are single ‘issues,’ each requiring its own movement and experts.” So widespread public concerns come to be conceived as narrow “spe- cial interests.” Similarly, say Shellenberger and Nordhaus, a focus on “short-term policy pay- off” neglects the “crafting [of] political propos- als that, through the alternative vision and val- ues they introduce, create the context for elec- toral and legislative victories down the road.” This vision could enable the movement to win the political war even while losing particular battles. In its absence, policies are merely tech- nical proposals; they are meaningful only if adopted; and they are salient only to those al- ready in the know. Wonkishness, here, is char- acterized as the predictable byproduct of the contemporary politics of interest-group liber- alism.
In an interview, Shellenberger observed that “a critique similar to the one we’ve made on environmentalism could be made of many other single-issue movements—women’s rights, abortion rights, anti-war, criminal jus- tice, labor, and so on.”3 But the second part of their argument remains distinctive. Here, Shellenberger and Nordhaus claim that “the environmental community’s belief that their power derives from defining themselves as de- fenders of ‘the environment’ has prevented us from winning major legislation on global warm- ing.”)is no less true for us

If we persist in being a single issue movement, which doesn't connect our the changes we desire to a narrative about our core values as Americans*, or present the public with an enticing vision of a future that they can achieve by supporting us... Well, we'll remain a fringe hobby among a handful of folks on social media

*The vast majority of Americans aren't activists, and don't have the luxury of thinking in political terms. They're justifiably worried about subjects like access to higher paying jobs, having pristine neighborhoods and decent houses to live in, keeping crime rates low, and less money getting taken out of their pockets at the end of the year. Start selling the public on supporting shared parenting legislation by hammering home the cost to taxpayers that's incurred by protracted litigation in family court, and the fact that kids left without fathers are 80 times more likely to become the game bangers who end up carjacking you in the parking lot at Safeway, and avoid using the term "men's rights". We just might have a shot, if we start getting more innovative, like so

xmjones100 · 2023-01-04T17:29:18+00:00

Well the #1 thing we can do, which I've cited over and over is mimic the father's rights movement. Focus on legality, and less on debates.
The father's rights movement is moderately successful because they put all their energy in pushing for lawyers, shared parenting bills, and changes in the system. So people are more likely to give them the benefit of the doubt
The MRM should take their example and focus on pushing legislation to fix Selctive Service, make domestic/sexual violence laws gender neutral, fix the gender gap in prison sentencing, try to get prostate cancer and men's health more funded, etc.

Title	How can we better mobilize for Men’s Rights?
Author	Dr_RxRedpill
Upvotes	14
Comments	4
Date	December 29, 2022 3:44 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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