The mess that is the 2013 Ohio University rape/false rape scandal

nigglereddit · 2013-10-25T10:31:23+00:00

This incident is actually very positive.

There is still a little doubt in the public mind about false rape accusations. Are they really false or just rapes which aren't successfully prosecuted? The conflicting opinions on the web make it difficult to formulate an informed opinion.

But then this video surfaces.

A woman consents enthusiastically and very publically to sex with a man. There are numerous witnesses, photographic and video evidence, and the incident is documented in full.

Yet the woman then claims rape and is supported to the hilt by feminist media outlets.

This is the clearest, best documented example of a real life false rape accusation that anyone could hope for. And it shows perfectly that no matter how clear it is that an incident is not rape, no matter how much evidence and how many witnesses, the accusation can still be made, the university will still prosecute and feminists will still act as if a crime was committed.

I'm not sure we could ask the rape industry to discredit themselves more publicly than this. It's perfect.

Cant_Ban_All_MRAs · 2013-10-25T09:24:47+00:00

Boiling over in anger now.

I did a google search for "Ohio University rape accusation", looking to find more up to date details on the original case. But no, page after page of results are dedicated to the woman who was misidentified as the accuser, completely burying the incident that started it all.

If a man is blatantly labelled with a false accusation it is never news; retractions are given short shrift if published at all. But let one woman face the horrible consequences of being falsely accused and the whole world suddenly wants to talk about it.

atxsuckscox · 2013-10-25T01:11:41+00:00

Posted at avfms

Jonathan,

This was excellently laid out. Thank you. I scanned down to figure out if you were some undergraduate and was (a bit) disappointed and not surprised that this is actually your specialty.

I will ask: do we actually know either or both were students? The first reports said they were alum.

I saw the unblocked out photos, and two uncensored videos. At no time did I see anything that said rape it all looked like consensual and pleasurable activities.

However, in the longer video, I can see how several gestures that seem to indicate pleasure and consent, that is, moving her hand to caress the man's head, and moving her hand and relaxing against the wall, could be interpreted to show how drunk she is as the gestures are slow and possibly indicate unsteadiness.

So not being an expert on intoxication, and truly regretting having no experience in drunken college sex in the 2000s, I can possibly see a claim that she was too drunk to consent.

However, and I think this is significant, in 2007 there was a moral panic over gray rape and many of the scenarios were this scenario almost identically. Two drunk people have sex, wake up, one cries rape, the other cries consensual sex. (google gray rape salon) (or gray rape jezebel or feministing or ...)

The feminists were adamant: it was rape and it was the man's responsibility to determine his partner was too drunk to consent. (And that of course is where the law today mostly stands.)

So It's fantastic that now gray rape has been videoed in real life!

IF she is determined to be too drunk to give consent, these videos show how difficult it is to judge that in real life. Not only did her partner misjudge that, but so did however many witnesses, men and women were around her. ALL of them, most of them soberish, all of them, though she was giving consent. (I don't know what witnesses say, the two allegedly posed for photos afterwards, I would be curious to know what is on those photos and what was said in conversation.)

IF it is deemed to be rape, I think it would be important to re-open the question of gray rape. If these many people can get the answer wrong, if drunk people can truly give this many signs of decision making ability and consent, then how can we blame people, how can we make other people responsible for determining her level of intoxication?

IF it is deemed rape, I'd like to see some folks follow up with Tracy Clark-Flory and the rest, show them the videos, and ask them again to defend their stances regarding gray rape and who is responsible for drinking.

And along that line it also opens up the whole "don't tell girls not to get wasted that's victim blaming" feminist argument.

TheCommonManMedia · 2013-10-25T00:06:37+00:00

I fail to see where the rape was.

2013-10-25T08:33:53+00:00

Very good article, as usual.

I have only watched the 30 seconds video, is there a longer version? Because I've heard about how she put her hand on his back, but I didn't see it in the video.

Title	The mess that is the 2013 Ohio University rape/false rape scandal
Author	TheCommonManMedia
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Date	October 24, 2013 11:31 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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