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"Teach men not to rape," By Thunderfoot

Thatguy5354

October 2, 2013

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Title	"Teach men not to rape," By Thunderfoot
Author	Thatguy5354
Upvotes	116
Comments	10
Date	October 2, 2013 3:03 AM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1nk5bb/teach_men_not_to_rape_by_thunderfoot/
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[–]YetAnotherCommenter 14 points15 points16 points 12 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

A good video.

"Teach men not to rape" is predicated on the ideas that all or most rapes are a product of Rape Culture (i.e. commonly-accepted memes, cognitive biases and assumptions which encourage non-consensual sex), and that Rape Culture can only be accepted by men (since the statement erases female rapists).

As the Lisak (?) study showed, only about 10% of rapes could be chalked up to Rape Culture (due to unclear consent). Was the Lisak study done on college students? Because if so, this may have biased the sample since college campuses usually have very strong consent-education campaigns... but even then the fact that only 10% of rapes were Rape Culture related shows that a huge proportion of rapes are having their cause misidentified.

The majority of rapes are caused by serial rapist predators who know PRECISELY what they are doing. They KNOW they are raping. They weren't duped by culture into thinking she meant yes when she said no - they KNOW she said no.

So UNLESS you want to argue that the serial rapist predator is socially constructed by "normal" male culture and thus he's really a victim of societal brainwashing, then teaching men not to rape will only solve a small portion of the problem of rape.

That said, a woman who dresses sexy doesn't "deserve" rape. Nor did she "cause" it. Nor is being raped something she is morally culpable for. The responsibility for all rapes ultimately lies with the rapist. This applies if a man is raped too... even if he's a buff man walking around shirtless and he gets raped by a woman, its the woman's fault.

That said, yes, there are steps one can take to reduce one's risk of rape. These are not victim-blaming per se, however given previous attitudes towards sex and consent haven't been healthy in the past I can understand the fear of 'coming off' like you're blaming the rape victim.

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[–]YetAnotherCommenter 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

No where does it imply blame should be placed on the victim. Not even slightly. It simply is saying;

be safe That's all.

I know the video was only saying "be safe".

The point I am making is that in the past, there were many attitudes which indeed did blame the victim. Once upon a less enlightened time, people once actually DID believe that slutty clothes = consent. Once, "rape" required the woman constantly struggle and fight and not stop doing so - acquiescence to physical assault was once LEGALLY considered consent.

In the context of this historical background, I can see WHY people are uneasy about common-sense safety advice.

This doesn't mean the advice is wrong. Just that given how things were in the past, the present-day paranoia that safety advice = victim-blaming kind of makes sense.

For example, the swastika as a symbol exists in Hinduism and lots of other religious traditions. However, due to Nazi Germany, most people will see the symbol and look at its most infamous referent. Historical baggage can't simply be ignored, as much as it would be much easier for us if it could.

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