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Drama Queens at AVFM on their fourth? fifth? sixth? attempt at bashing Cathy Young over one sentence she wrote? No, AVFM isn't a bunch of overly dramatic haters.

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http://www.avoiceformen.com/a-voice-for-men/avfm-radio/debut-of-honey-badger-radio-cathy-young/ I know Cathy Young has my back and I can trust her to represent...

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Title	Drama Queens at AVFM on their fourth? fifth? sixth? attempt at bashing Cathy Young over one sentence she wrote? No, AVFM isn't a bunch of overly dramatic haters.
Author	[deleted]
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Date	August 15, 2013 7:56 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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No, but that's not what AVFM is doing.

They are a published site. They seek even wider publication. They aren't like you say, on chat, asking your friends to come over, they are putting it on their RSS feeds, submitting it to /r/MensRights, etc.

Look, I think their very first article was wrong on the facts, but fine one article. But this is their fifth or sixth on the web, this one on Internet radio.

And the articles are all very similar in their points, and well, wrong in any claims that Cathy Young is some sort of typical feminist.

Mainstream feminists excommunicated Cathy Young long ago. For example, she often appeared in Salon up until Broadsheet and Joan Walsh took over.

Most feminists are probably leftish, but Cathy Young is published in Reason, a libertarian website as well as in the WSJ, The American Spectator, the National Review.

So now I think they are wrong on the facts, and way over the top in their reaction. And I find that to be true of AVFM articles and behaviors for the past 3-4 months or so. They seem to have a taken a step closer to the edge, not away from it.

I think that will be bad for AVFM, and more importantly, I think that will be bad for anyone interested in Mens Rights.

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I don't see where I have called the site "women hating".

I said

they are drama queens
they are overly dramatic haters

I'll add now, feel better do. My carpal tunnel is acting up, I need to stop typing to.

Now I'll close with why I call them overly dramatic haters:

Cathy Young wrote this:

Is a men’s rights movement the answer? Advocates of men’s causes such as author Warren Farrell have made needed contributions to the understanding of gender issues. Unfortunately, any movement championing one gender seems doomed to devolve into victim politics and demonization of the other sex. Some leading men’s rights websites such as A Voice for Men offer a steady diet of vulgar woman-bashing that discredits any valid points they may make.

AVFM wrote this:

http://www.avoiceformen.com/misandry/cathy-young-clutches-pearls-at-avfm/

She is fine with men’s issues over latte and scones and polite conversation. But the moment we start to offend with our anger; the moment we start to react to these issues for what they really are: men being bled out on the streets as the general public, annoyed at the inconvenience, steps over their bodies, Cathy Young has a problem with it and wants us to shut the fuck up.

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You can ridicule us for not using the back entrance and the correct water fountain as instructed – which Cathy Young has just done.

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http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/the-broken-dialogue-of-cathy-young/

When you dismiss men’s rights in 734 words with a “tone” argument, you disprove your own thesis that those who support men’s human rights need to be nicer in order to get their message across. You know, like those Nice Guys that never get laid while the Mean Guys score all the action from the hot chicks. Awesome work bashing those uppity man-slaves, oh-so-sensitive Cathy, but your feminine prejudices have blinded you to the reality of those who struggle daily in support of men’s human rights.

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Why, Cathy, are you demonizing men for using the only way we have left to make our voices matter?

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You even acknowledge the validity of some of our concerns – the massive differential in workplace death rates (almost 92% male in 2011), suicide rates, and the ways men are raped for child support, etc. – but you find our rhetoric to be “toxic” and “vulgar” (like, um, the naked lesbian pedophilia in the original version of the Vagina Monologues, perhaps?) but even when you hear and supposedly understand men’s legitimate needs and concerns, you still don’t get it.

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So, inevitably, if I have to call someone a stupid, fucked-up bitch to get some attention – MEANINGFUL attention – then that is what I’ll do. And you can bite me, Cathy Young, if you can’t grasp that.

http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/cant-we-all-just-get-along/

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The latest version of it, a Boston Globe editorial by Cathy Young, is a sugar-coated rehash of the same tone argument feminists have been using to try to shame MHRAs into silence for years; shaming language, claims that MHRAs are too loud, too brash, too rude, and talk too much about the problems the movement exists to address. She could have snatched the last few paragraphs of her article almost directly from the plethora of feminist commenters who have made the same argument in men’s forums all over the internet. The writing doesn’t reflect an epiphany or even an original idea.

It’s the feminist company line.

The article is dishonest and self-contradicting. After describing all of the reasons why a men’s movement is needed, she went on to try to use a vague, unsupported accusations to shame into silence those responsible for bringing men’s issues into the public view.

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And they are spending two more hours tonight to talk about this:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/avoiceformen/2013/08/16/honey-badger-radio-cathy-young

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