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In light of the nonsense happening at Google: Bias against males proven in Tech interviews

BaconCatBug

August 13, 2017
97 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://blog.interviewing.io/we-built-voice-modulation-to-mask-gender-in-technical-interviews-heres-what-happened/
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Title In light of the nonsense happening at Google: Bias against males proven in Tech interviews
Author

BaconCatBug

Upvotes 97
Comments 22
Date August 13, 2017 5:48 AM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/6tdiqz/in_light_of_the_nonsense_happening_at_google_bias/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/in-light-of-the-nonsense-happening-at-google-bias.1176004
https://theredarchive.com/post/1176004
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Comments

[–]BaconCatBug[S] 30 points31 points32 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

TL;DR version: Our study found no gender bias against women, and if anything, hinted at a bias against men, which we promptly ignored and scrambled for something to say about women again. Turns out they just don't have the same level of motivation to compete for the top, which is what everyone right of karl marx, and top level business execs have been telling us for 30 years, but we'll leave that out and never acknowledge that they told us so.

[–]PapaLoMein 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A woman's job factors far less into her ability to find sex partners (on average). Add in a trend that women marry up (on average) and you have more than enough reasoning for any employment gender gap.

[–]1493275 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

In other words. They quit.

[–]xNOM 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ironically, they quit today for the same reason they did in the 50s when they were blatantly paid less and never promoted. Babies.

Which goes a long way to explain why women were paid less for the same work. They used work and college to find a suitable husband and then bailed. Misogyny had nothing to do with it. Everyone except the angry white overeducated feminist brigade had no problem with it.

[–]duruga 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You'd be surprised by the level of shitlording hardcore communist achieved.

Making men's rights a right vs left ideology is stupid.

[–]dakru 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You forgot to mention that the trends of gender bias against men were not statistically significant:

If anything, we started to notice some trends in the opposite direction of what we expected: for technical ability, it appeared that men who were modulated to sound like women did a bit better than unmodulated men and that women who were modulated to sound like men did a bit worse than unmodulated women. Though these trends weren’t statistically significant, I am mentioning them because they were unexpected and definitely something to watch for as we collect more data.

Statistical significance matters. You shouldn't find a trend that is non-significant and then describe it as "proven".

[–]MGTOWinCambodia 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

The most interesting part here:

What I learned was pretty shocking. As it happens, women leave interviewing.io roughly 7 times as often as men after they do badly in an interview. And the numbers for two bad interviews aren’t much better. You can see the breakdown of attrition by gender below (the differences between men and women are indeed statistically significant with P < 0.00001).

[–]MagicTampon 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Some research also states that men are more likely to have skills more highly tailored o the technical side, more often with corresponding weaknesses in other fields ("nerds" / e.g. Asperger spectrum).

Many men who do poorly in technical interviews may register a tendency to stick with it, and that's not necessarily only because men on average display more grit. It may also be because many of these men have correspondingly few skills (e.g. social skills) to succeed in other fields, so they have fewer options -- in many cases, no other options.

So the theory goes, females who become frustrated with technical disciplines often have skills that allow them to excel in other disciplines, so they leave. Whereas males who become frustrated with technical disciplines often lack skill that allow them to excel in other disciplines, so they persevere (out of necessity).

[–]MGTOWinCambodia 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Makes sense.

I'd also wonder if men stick with it due to social pressures and expectations of "manning up." My experience working around programmers is yes, you get a big dose of the libertarian or techno-anarchist types, people with probably few serious responsibilities. But you also get a big dose of conservative Mormon guys supporting a wife and seven kids. For them, there is no alternative to having a high-paying job.

[–]MagicTampon 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm sure that's a factor as well.

I certainly know what that's like, being made to believe it is not just yourself, but others, who will depend exclusively on your capacity to advance your career. It never really occurred to me that I would ever have the opportunity to rely on anyone else for my financial support.

"Necessity is the mother of invention."

[–]Imnotmrabut 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

("nerds" / e.g. Asperger spectrum).

There is zero evidence to back up this abusive and disability discriminative FEMINIST meme..... so why is it being peddled here?

[–]MagicTampon 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/data.html

[–]Imnotmrabut 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Oh you can use a hyperlink, but can you link it to the evidence that supposedly supports your views and claims?

[–]MagicTampon 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0956797612458937#aff-2

[–]Imnotmrabut 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Oh, another Hyperlink without substance - should we try third time lucky.

[–]MagicTampon 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Uh... did you read it?

[–]Imnotmrabut 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes - can you point to where it calls people nerds?

[–]MagicTampon 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh that.

I consider myself a nerd.

OK, don't call them nerds then. What the politically correct term to use? Not familiar enough with it to know.

[–]nforne 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why the problem with this? I'm genuinely curious. As someone who is on the spectrum (not massively), I didn't take any offence.

[–]xNOM 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Once you factor out interview data from both men and women who quit after one or two bad interviews, the disparity goes away entirely. So while the attrition numbers aren’t great, I’m massively encouraged by the fact that at least in these findings, it’s not about systemic bias against women or women being bad at computers or whatever. Rather, it’s about women being bad at dusting themselves off after failing, which, despite everything, is probably a lot easier to fix.

LOL wtf? She concludes that women aren't "worse at computers" because when she massaged the data the gap disappeared? Why on earth does she think those people quit after one or two bad interviews? They had indigestion?

[–]Griever114 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sure explains the airhead they have been hiring at my fucking job who can barely turn on a fucking computer.

I'm sure I've been passed over for new jobs purely for quotas. Apparently having a master's and 10 years experience is invalidated if I have a dick

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Go work somewhere else. If the work they're getting from you for the price they're paying is too good to pass up, why would they promote you?

If you can't get a job somewhere else, maybe you're not as good as you think.

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