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Anti-Game | Chateau Heartiste "A lot of losers in love insist that “being yourself” is morally superior to “manipulating and seducing” a girl with game." “Being yourself” isn’t an ethically or strategically neutral stance..."

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Title Anti-Game | Chateau Heartiste "A lot of losers in love insist that “being yourself” is morally superior to “manipulating and seducing” a girl with game." “Being yourself” isn’t an ethically or strategically neutral stance..."
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[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

Ending up giving a counter tip at the end of my review. Got to be careful when labeling the whole. Plenty of lovey losers have their women leave, and plenty of plates leave their men. Is there a right or wrong way? And plenty of both sides don't get the woman in the first place. Different things work.

I think heartiste can be too ideological. This is not the way to look at the issue truthfully.

But the article does have some excellent insight. You just cringe when you see that stuff. The terrible thing for those types of people though is they don't learn or take a long time to adjust over the course of their life in such matters. It depends on how many girls they ultimately get maybe they get 1 and stop. Fine. But the article was demonstrable in this regard. A what not to do.

But I don't consider thinking about things like that much worthwhile as I don't have to and it's highly analytical. And then it's a good narrative but there's much assumption as well. Maybe on another day those two went alright. Such articles are always written there with an inner-club air of superiority. I think it's a part of the snake oil about the site, even if there's some good insight. It's not hard to get women, but it IS hard if not impossible to get every single one. That's the sites greatest mistake. It lowers my trust in it not to mention the politics. I don't consider it a fair representation no matter how analytical of the world.

But that's not to deny the truths. That was absolutely carnage - well as told by him. By modern article standards it succeeds though. It did have the tendency to bog down in self agrandizing and self promotion. And mother fuckers lol I thought it was an article about THEM, not him.

The things we see.

It was a self reflecting ideological piece written due to his own shortcomings. Fine. No judgement. But then he supposes most men don't want to learn, which allows him to say he's special.

The fact is most if not all men do want to learn just depends how it's packaged. Instead of going after the girl later he should have went after the guys. Less competition for him lol.

But as I said as much, you'd expect the impetus of the article may be about others, uh uh... It was about himself. His friend served as the alturism in helping pummell the beta out of them leaving himself to tell a grand tale where he fights for center stage.

This is the most sickening self deception, a dishonest article, with naught a message actually.

This dickhead would have been better served by telling us that the more you talk the more your value especially in the beginning can sink if you're not on point.

Let's wake up. The author is happy to let us think that he's the only one getting laid despite the birth rate and anything else. Those guys could possibly have girlfriend's or anything. One bad pickup means jackshit even if it's a "downplayed 15min" discussion with two chicks. They probably had shit they wanted to do but no I don't think talking to them was the best idea for those two. They clearly looked uncomfortable themselves. Maybe it's not fully their "game".

I said I didn't mind the article but upon further reflection I think it was poorly conceived. And any worthwhile message for the younger crowd or more naive crowd was lost in this cunts mirror-gazing, clearly he's in love with himself.

I know that must be bad to hear for anyone here who hates themselves and wishes they loved themselves but really, you've wasted your time on that article. At some point you have to go through that shit in life and it will happen more than once. I once went into a situation like this and pulled the girl out of the swarm, we had a smoke back then actually, ages ago. She wasn't very nice. Anyway the ho went and had drinks with someone who bought her a shit ton of shots once I was bored with her and I went back to my friends. I had left after that. Be careful what you wish for. This girl was sucking down his face because she was very drunk by then.

Take action. Go in. Do shit. Leave. Don't let others do stuff to you or for you, even the girls. No single method works on anyone. It's really random unless you're preselected. The article is disingenuous there but I don't thinkn it claimed anything beyond anti-game....

.... But if it's useless to draw conclusions from, then it's source material is useless.

That article situation was just some people talking. Ffs no one was running ANY game lol. The author seems to think that chicks love fucking with people's heads and (they do some of them) and there's puzzle pieces.

I don't write analysis pieces because I don't think it's an overly complicated process. I just think too much analysis is delusion or snake oil.

Sorry or maybe that's myself since I am far more advanced than many, I honestly though despite that do not consider investing time into any blog a worthwhile endeavor, not just that one.

It's probably better to say the author had assessed his chances and desire and acted accordingly, however those two being wet behind the ears or naive about their chances, well at least they tried, but were seriously out of their depth beyond a quick conversation. It sounds like they had gfs at home if anything because they were so docile. Maybe they're hot shit to other types of girls we don't know, but there's no autopilot in them.

Some people can do autopilot, some can't. But I tell you what guys... Fuck thinking about it to the level of the blog, that's delusion or obsession. The author implies such a situation would fill him with great shame, whereas for the majority of the population the fact they even tried something was a major highlight. No the author doesn't like girls, nor do you need to like them to fuck them. But seriously I bet you those guys liked themselves. Just because they couldn't navigate their way to her pussy, they had no logistics or plan what to do next like I can't care about them since I don't know them.

But I do care enough about myself to not get bogged down in laughing at others for their anti game, though it is funny of course, any bad attempt at anything is, but the author revelled in it.

That's far more concerning and probably warrants it's own article. He's the one with the golden dick afterall, guys, and by the draw conclusions/material value law, much more could be gleaned from it. But such levels of introspection probably aren't forthcoming from the guy.

My lesson to you: those guys wanted to kiss those girls. I love kissing girls. But! I want you to imagine as a thought process what you would do, to stay focused and unnatached, imagine how you would go about fucking them without ever kissing them.

Source: I'm a natural, no analysis required. Yes I do kiss girls, but you need the focus and on-point, creativity and expanded mindset to increase your social and situational awareness, to not care and yet kinda care as appropriate to the beginning of any kind of relationship. And remember you'll be focusing on the girl. Think like that. Both moving toward and staying away, using the environment and moment for energy rather than personal desire. You don't need game when you have attitude. Let her want to kiss you first. Or get handsy, be in control. Those guys were not. This is not a cure all and sometimes you take the bull by the horns, rule nothing out, but as a general rule for getting to know someone, being comfortable, take your creep and throw it out. Free yourself. She wants to focus on herself not you. The above solves much. You don't need a whole lot of game with the right attitude. Yes be an opportunistic sure some girls are easy. I'm an excellent kisser but being so is not direct-path to the goal. And yes I've asked girls to kiss me before, and they've then asked me to kiss their friends. Shit gets hot round me sometimes more than you can imagine.

But first things first. Fuck the analysis. Shove something into your head that actually fucking works. You can have sex with girls without ever kissing them first, hell even get to know them to sand they still want to fuck you, why? Many reasons. Put a hand behind your back kind of thing. Ingenuity solves so much. And my brain round girls, even on that tinder trash, is pure clarity. Sex has nothing to do with you to her, think about it. The explanation may be lacking but it all lines up in the end. You may begin to think "hell! I did that, I made her do it" nah she just let you. Girls don't get attached as quickly, so it's no use going in with the hope to kiss mindset or score, or anything. At first your just talking, then you're kissing or fucking or trying to arrange things to get to that point. Just imagine what you will do, generally speaking because girls in bars sometimes kiss you immediately, how you would approach and be impressive if you couldn't kiss her/get all personal. That may be too disassociative to some people but it clears the decks. Honestly before you know it you'll be knocking socks off to the chicks to whom you're their type. No snake oil here. It's most likely those girls found those guys not to be their type, the dichotomy of need guys to approach us but can't choose the type who do.

Wake the hell up. It was mild anti game if that. Wouldn't you rather BE the game. She might like your looks just say but girls are non attached to start with. This is why asshole game plays on that, mere tricks for example. If you think about holding two ideals in your head at once is difficult i.e what to do if not looking for kiss or something from her/+ how to get her, consider it a bump stop.

It's more natural. Also that's how I am especially since I've basically never been without a girl in my life since I could jerk off, just trials and tribulations during.

[–]Unrealenting 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

That’s why I just stick to the actual science. Different women like different things in different contexts.

According to research in Changes in Women’s Mate Preferences Across the Ovulatory Cycle. http://archive.is/ARKof

The science is pretty clear. Women go for good genes when they're ovulating and beta resources the rest of the month. Same with short term versus long term relationships. What's interesting is the specific traits and behaviors they're attracted to, and how these traits interact.

This quote for example: "Relative to women low in conception risk, those high in conception risk particularly preferred as short-term mates men who appeared more confrontative, arrogant, muscular, socially respected, and physically attractive. When high in conception risk, women were also more attracted to men who were viewed as lower on faithfulness as short-term mates."

You heard that right. Women are more attracted to men who they think are unfaithful.

"We also tested these effects while statistically controlling for two behavioral display indicators examined by Gangestad et al. (2004), Social Presence and Direct Intrasexual Competitiveness. In most instances, interactions remained significant or neared significance, indicating that the effects reported here are not redundant with the effects reported previously. For confrontativeness, arrogance, faithfulness, and muscularity, ts = 3.13 (df = 7986), 2.64 (df = 8081), -2.27 (df = 8057), and 1.85 (df = 7957), respectively, all ps < .041. For social respect, t(7927) = 1.51 (p = .081). For physical attractiveness, the effect dropped to nonsiginifance.t(7925) = 1.09, ns. Women rely on behavioral information when evaluating the attractiveness of men. The results suggest that fertile women are particularly attracted to these components of physical attractiveness."

What this quote is saying is that even while controlling for two big traits that were found attractive in a previous study (Social Presence and Direct Intrasexual Competitiveness), the traits in this study were still significant and the one that was most significant was confrontativeness: 3.13 arrogance: 2.64 muscularity: 1.85 faithfulness: -2.27 Basically, women love shit starting cunts.

The most interesting part was this chart: http://archive.is/lNvTs

Womens standards of attractiveness do not change across the cycle in general for all mate traits, however, standards associated with particular traits perceived systemically change. This pattern is consistent with the good genes hypothesis. This hypothesis however makes an even more specific prediction. about which male traits should be most attractive to fertile women. Fertile women should be especially drawn to men who possess traits typically values in short term mates. Figure 1 shows the results of these tests. As can be seen, the extent to which male traits were preferred in short-term mating contexts strongly predicted the extent to which this was particularly true of fertile versus infertile women. indeed the correlation is close to perfect .93.

And thus the arrogant confrontational douchebag wins the girl while the warm faithful beta stays home and faps into his sock.

Still not enough to convince you?

Scientific proof that feminine women are attracted to men who are "threatening, volatile, controlling, manipulative, coercive, selfish, dominant, impulsive." https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1090513801000666

Buckle in cause this is a long read.

Previous studies on womens attraction to masculinity have had confounding results. Some found women were attracted to masculine men while others found the opposite. I'm sure you've seen the dailymail articles claiming feminine men win in the dating game...right next to the one that says women are attracted to biological markers of high testosterone. So in an attempt to put that to rest study separated women into two groups based on femininity; High bem-M and low bem-M. The high bem-M group was masculine and the low bem-M was feminine and presumably more attractive since a womans attractiveness increases linearly with femininity http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn8251-hormone-levels-predict-attractiveness-of-women.html This study found that for both groups their attraction to a man for a long term relationships was correlated with his rating on the "friend" factor which was loaded with the following positive attributes: helpful, cooperative, trustworthy, good father, wealthy, and intelligent.

The preference did not change for high bem-M women when it came to short term relationships but there was no correlation between the friend factor and attraction for short term relationships for low bem-M women. In fact the only factor that predicted low bem-M womens attraction to a man for a short term relationship was their score on the "enemy" factor which is, in order of importance, "threatening, volatile, controlling, manipulative, coercive, selfish, dominant, impulsive".

Remember the low bem-M women are the attractive feminine ones.

There was also no drop off point where increasing masculinization was less attractive like there was for long term relationships. Literally the higher the guy scored on those traits the more sexually attractive he was for a short term relationship. Combine this with the study that says low bem-M women are more likely to cheat on their long term partner during their fertile period http://www.ts-si.org/files/KristinaDuranteoestradiolandmating.pdf and the implications are, to say the least, worrying.

The whole thing can be downloaded here http://depositfiles.com/files/pwr18l7r4

So once again, alpha male Chad busts a nut across your oneitis' face while Billy Beta uses his tears as lube while he silently beats his meat into his favorite crusty sock.

TL:DR : Women overwhelmingly prefer domineering smug assholes that have musculature for short term sexual relationships. The nicer and more faithful you are to an attractive feminine girl the less sexually attracted she will be to you. Be bold, be cocky, be in charge, be aloof.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for putting that up. It's interesting.

But I think it's obvious, but most men think they're in for a decent chance because society-monogamy. They forget or downplay competition or try to cheat it. They refuse to compete or become entitled, partly because of male dominated societies and customs.

But we know as guys if a guy is horny and can he'll pick the most beautiful feminine and sexy woman. Girls do it too to men, square jaw, angularity. It just so happens such men are busy fucking everything. And that's a great sign providing he's not uncouth to women he hasn't gotten to yet. But when she wants the provider she'll choose a safer bet, softer features, less aggression. The kids come first.

And these days well women want it all. I'm not saying every one of them cheats at all either. Many do and many don't.

And also to add the pre phase to that. That the guy needs to be within her good looking range. An ugly guy doing assholery on her won't have the same effect as a Chad. Or an ugly guy trying to marry her may just bring on disgust.

It's usually not about upping the asshole but that certainly helps.

I can be abrasive though I try to be nice to people, not just girls, but if you have "it" good looks then assholery type stuff will help you keep her firing on you for longer in the attraction sense. Not too much because relationships are multi faceted, think of it like a sliding scale. Good looks and being her social and socioeconomic equal or better, her better, go a long way too.

It's not all about alpha and beta. Or being an asshole.

In fact the point of masculinity you said up there is strong throughout, from looks to personality and being pointedly abrasive certainly helps. It loses you less cred in a don't stuff it up manner.. The ugly and weak men have no credit or it evaporates faster. But if you have those masculine features and aspects about you you are instantly way more fun and suitable to her and are more likely to remain that way. Though it may not prevent anyone cheating. Life still happens.

Masculinity, not just being an asshole because it can backfire as people are people, is like a vacuum to the feminine. Try to strike normal and cool within your range. Don't overdo it.

It's entirely possible to be a nice enough asshole, and to more shy or insecure/sweet girls to mitigate assholery altogether. The kind of bitter asshole spun on heartiste is surely mostly a character act or not the whole picture.

But it's all set against a backdrop of how physically attractive you are to her. And the dynamic between uglier people and better looking people alters or people with huge status. So too if she has a type. It's not like we can boil it down too much but you get what I'm saying.

Back to your post. So a chick who is submitted to all that and enthralled/happy with the idea of being with that guy, is going to want to know what she has to do to stay with him. And that's when the circle goes round again. But exactly how feminine or masculine people need to be is up to individual taste. Just like gigantic tits that are too big, there's probably stable long term sweet spots for masculine that are not too intense. At some point overt masculinity or when done wrong while trp guy act blows up....but out in the world the reality is super masculine guys, models, bodybuilders, high rollers, etc spread their loving around until they chill out enough/slow down or at points stop, or they get old.

So most people never see it really in life even when it's there.

But I don't think science helps guys be better at women. It's a shame masculinity has been neutered a fair deal or homogenized such as only socially accepting in certain countries a certain type of it.

Every time I've confronted women they've backed down or seceded to me. But don't forget that opposite reactions happen. And in longer term relationships being combative will simply make her despise you unless she's fucked in the head or never has a good point in her life. But balance is good. It's hard to quantify but in terms of being evolutionarily stable it doesn't matter for short term, it simply ups the fireworks and lust. As the next dick is around the corner so long as she's fertile.

And remember the biggest indications of that are in the face. An ugly face doing that to her is ickier than Chad's gorgeous high cheekbones and iron jaw. Indeed the main reason Chad enters into any battle of will is because of her feminine physical attributes.

So it's important guys go for someone in their league. All the quack selling of advice and snake oil and that dumb fuckers "mirror gazing" story is neither here nor there. It's about investment and protecting it on a two way street. The assholery is trying to do that logically. It's a part of the picture.

After you're in your league you'll have a lot better time at erring on the side of a Chad than a guy otherwise would. When it's that time of her cycle she won't be horizontally hypergamous, she'll want to be treated hotter. Can only generalize. But for those guys inclined try seeing girls once every few weeks.

There's fewer and fewer reasons for girls to remain faithful, it's true, but not all are like that. If she vertically hypergamy's herself into hotter treatment from you, you stand a good chance when your relationship is more volatile. But nothing is for certain. Ultimately many trp guys would be better dating round and coming by their women fortnightly probably or not more than once a week some weeks.

Otherwise guys are better to just live life and understand things end. Let her worry about longevity. I say this because a lot of guys have hurt feelings, many legitimately, on here I see. However even then relationships are two ways and if she sees lack of commitment she may jump ship or arrange backups more readily. You would too if you saw your woman getting fat for instance. It's all natural. It's probably better to treat her more rough, accept she'll and yourself will probably cheat once or twice, and try to remain compatible for however long you're with her/want to be.

All the caveats women gave to their men sleeping round maybe men will be need to provide to them but more limited owing to their submissiveness... Too much and they'll never come back, should you want them back.

Maybe that's how future relationships are. As a high value guy the only way to dissuade that is of course disgust. But it only does so much. They hide it now. So I just think relationships will be more open in future. And traditional relationships will be for the used up older types.

Try not to be cynical though. Just have fun. I realize half the struggle for uglier guys on here is min maxing the things they can control.

[–]chrisname 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You have some good info my man but it is pretty tough to read. You could work on your coherence. It reads like a stream of consciousness which is quite hard to parse.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks. It's pretty messy

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

You don't have to be on the offence to get chicks it's just that the author used to be majorly passive aggressive and so feels shame for that. Between 8 and 13 I was passive aggressive but you grow out of it. You just have to act on things. It's not even about game. Having a good job, good life, good times and a focus on yourself goes a long way. You don't learn shit in bars but that article actually was more than worthless now I think about it.

Two random girls and a narrative based on assumption. No way. You're an idiot if you think otherwise

That's not me saying game is useless. On the contrary. But it's more me saying I don't see the value in using your time to read such articles when they function as being ineffective for most guys. Not to say the author is some miscreant either, but I think I have defined what I'm saying by now. I've listed 3 overall attitudes that are better pursued as priorities, also which are not mutually exclusive.

Btw I date every week, and see people, all year long though sometimes I switch off for periods of time if a lull comes along. It's a bit of a lifestyle but I'm not a tosser to these girls, I would not even consider it a lifestyle actually it's just something I do to fill in time really these days. Not looking for the one but you do run across a lot of top chicks and yeah lousy ones. I do skew toward relationship material though, if you hang round dregs you could turn into one.

If the author or anyone thinks they won't want some kind of relationship at some point then they're fools. So I actually don't see how laboring this point or the articles point any further really helps. What he chose to highlight and celebrate, denounce, 15 mins of a whole lifetime. How fucking bitter is that guy. Be careful who you take advice off of. If he'd seen any recent sex or success he'd be a lot happier about things and probably (given he spent a whole article on them) would have went to have a word to them. Don't take your advice off married guys or bitter pills.

No I don't believe he ran into them upstairs, the girls, he's full of shit. There's only so many lessons to learn. Stop treading water and fuckin swim somewhere ok

[–]destraht 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

You don't learn shit in bars but that article actually was more than worthless now I think about it.

In my travels I've met two men, one in particular who could really kind of just know a hell of a lot of things about people in a way that simply isn't possible for 99.99% of the population. I know for myself that I'm up there but how many things happen all around me that I don't have the slightest clue about? A lot and I know from almost 40 years how much more that I perceive that typical. A lot. Well this American in Budapest was hyper-genius as fuck in a particular way. He had reportedly spent many years quizzing people and asking them about all sorts of trivial manners to the point that after forty years he basically knew just about every shallow expression in people across the board. It was truly stunning to see how he could dial people in. Now I don't pick that up from the author but I'm willing to suspend disbelief for a moment to work through it.

On a purely personal note I grew up with people telling me "you can't hear that", "you can't see that", "you can't perceive that", "you can't know that", etc. I think that it was a combination of me being bright and them being numb. The disparity of perception caused that and I've only began to gain respect with just a single side of my family at say 35+ years after I had told them to piss off I'm heading out into the world and then they really started getting older and tired.

So I just want to say that you really can perceive and know a lot more than is commonly accepted to be possible. If you spend years and decades quizzing people and looking for those candid moments, speaking to the schizophrenic guy on the bench, the guy just out of jail, the shy girl in the corner, etc then you can learn how people think and how they intend to act. For example lets say that you are a white dude from the white washed suburbs but one day you are speaking with a felon on parole for an hour and he tells you about how everything is going down. People will simply tell you what is going on if you listen. Then say a week later you are having dinner with white washed white mama in the suburbs and you have something to say about the prison system and how its affecting people and they tell you that you can't know anything because they don't know anything and so expect you to know as little or less as they do. You are X years old, you don't know shit. Then its you are X + 5, then X + 15 years old and still don't know shit according to certain people. Other people can't imagine that you could know a thing, especially if it contradicts a tightly held ideology.

Here are the many little jobs that I've had and part of the reason that I know so much little shit

Roughly in time line from 16.

  • dish washer
  • checker, bagger, stocker
  • wine warehouse stocker and event server
  • city of commerce events
  • mowing lawns around the neighborhood
  • moving people
  • stealing everything that wasn't bolted down (only large stores)
  • hacking/scamming porn company advertisting for pretty large checks (they found out, no charges)
  • Radio Shack electronic store
  • army boot camp (got myself kicked out because that place sucks, bad decison)
  • Guerneville gay club hosting, dishwashing (a gay JC professor hit on me and I couldn't comprehend it, even though I was working at a fucking gay club)
  • computer repair and sales
  • hotel night shift
  • checker, bagger, stocker
  • fork lift driver, bendi driver, lifted heavy bags of dirt
  • helped family recover business using Quickbooks
  • JC math tutor (from third grade African student fraction shit to 2nd semester calculus)
  • programmer
  • California initiative petitioning (big fucking $$$$$)
  • handling boxes for a conveyor belt for semis (something like Fedex/UPS)
  • an organic farm
  • cutting down trees, splitting logs, etc
  • more programming
  • gold mining in Nicaragua
  • programming in China
  • programmng for family
  • programming for a private Ukrainian company in Ukraine
  • English tutor
  • programming Book co-author (its on Amazon now)
  • lived for extended durations on four continents
  • lived in Ukraine during the coup, war
  • fucked 80+ women, maybe 100, been with say 50 more (you know)

There are probably several things that I left off. Then consider that I spent 185 units (only 125 necessary) getting my computer science bachelors because I soaked up the humanities and I extra dosed on the math and science.

So all of that to say that as it is, some asshole is going to be telling me at just about every moment that I'm unable to know or to perceive something simply because they cannot comprehend that I have experiences which are outside of my lane. If people spend decades trying to know everything possible then they can know a lot. Just the other day on the conspiracy subreddit I mentioned that I've been with approaching 100 women and many me literally believed that its not possible. I know that as far as studs go that at 40 years old that I'm on the very low count. I know this because I see my talents and how some men are much more able and charming than me. I also know the counts of people whom I respect. The point is that they those guys don't even know enough about women to know that approaching 100 isn't all that hard to do for a 40 year old guy. Its good to know how things work and that requires experience tempered with education.

[–]p3n1x 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The fact is most if not all men do want to learn just depends how it's packaged.

If this were true, the 80/20 rule would not naturally exist. Bloops want to learn "ABC-123 rules of how to fuck a stripper without spending money". Go ahead, write the book, it will be bought.

Following directions is not "learning" the core. Reading the drivers manual in your glovebox does not make you Michael Schumacher.

dickhead would have been better served by telling us that the more you talk the more your value especially in the beginning can sink if you're not on point.

So, because the help wasn't in a "tasty little package made specifically for YOU", the message was trash? Sometimes awkwardness needs to be pointed out. Not every message can be delivered with a passive pat on the back with a "chin up" attitude.

but the author revelled in it.

Nothing wrong with celebrating your rivals loss.

Source: I'm a natural, no analysis required.

Does this not make you blind as fuck to the plight of other men? You claim to be supportive, but have zero clue as to what the problem is for other men , because YOU have never once experienced their problems. (source: your own admission sir natural)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Come on, the article was bitter and from a place of hate. I don't disagree with your run down but it was way off base with how I feel about things. And also the broad generalizations in the article show a lack of awareness in general.

It was just a bad article painting things in a bad light. It's ok to laugh a little at such pickup attempts, but it was so overblown. The embarrassment level he's claiming is overblown.

He is on about a false dichotomy too. No I don't think they had a big chance with the girls, but also it's silly to think just by pointing your toes a particular way would have made all the difference.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Y'know, I'm so glad every coach I've ever had told me "Don't worry about learning the rules of the game, or the skills that you need to perform at a high level, just go out on that field and 'Be Yourself'....I'm sure you'll do fine." /s

The bluepills think "Be Yourself" means being a dopey Herb 'wif no game and still get the cheerleader anyway. They don't want us using our 'no fair' PUA trickeration to score fine pussy.

TRP Version: Improve yourself, learn how girls think, be authentic and kick ass. Simples.

[–]INNASKILLZ2K18 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Great summation. 'Be Yourself' is a funny one. I think you do want to be you, and authentic. It's just going through the work of changing yourself. Changing the entire ideology, and yes, understanding the way women think, and how men should be. Until that shit becomes ingrained.

THEN be yourself. The self we should have always been.

If yourself is a basement dwelling, orbiting 'nice guy'. Be that if they want. But know that role...and it ain't a good one.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The problem is, being yourself only works if you're a natural at game, or your SMV is 9-10.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

didn't read, but it's so cringe watching people try to be something theyre not lol

[–]TheOneSillyOne 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Only "be yourself" if you aren't interested or if it already works anyway imo.

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