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Two Students Hooked Up. It Was Clearly Consensual. He Still Spent $12,000 Defending Himself.

Seicair

October 22, 2018
136 upvotes
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https://reason.com/blog/2018/10/09/uc-davis-title-ix-me-too-sex-hook-up?utm_medium=email
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Title Two Students Hooked Up. It Was Clearly Consensual. He Still Spent $12,000 Defending Himself.
Author

Seicair

Upvotes 136
Comments 9
Date October 22, 2018 4:18 PM UTC
(7 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/9qfbt8/two_students_hooked_up_it_was_clearly_consensual/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/two-students-hooked-up-it-was-clearly-consensual.1184274
https://theredarchive.com/post/1184274
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Comments

[–]M60P 19 points20 points21 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Another false rape accuser goes unpunished

[–]tankboy28 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thats fucked

[–]postyogaera 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

This is a fake article. I tried to do follow up, but even the attorney wasn't named. The links also don't lead to any real people. This situation could be true, but from a journalistic standard, it is clearly fake.

[–]Seicair[S] 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The author clearly states pseudonyms were used for James and Becky. I’ve read Reason for a long time and never had reason to doubt the veracity of what they publish.

[–]postyogaera 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I understand you might need pseudonyms for the parties involved, but you don't need them for an attorney representing any party, especially when supposedly quoting him/her. You don't need them for investigators for the school, and surely someone on campus went on record.

"James' family found him an attorney, who listened to James story and then told him, "If everything goes south on us, don't kill yourself." The attorney promised to do everything he could to get justice for James."

The source should name the attorney, and most surely shouldn't attempt to quote the attorney based on a conversation he/she had with a client. Unless the reporter was there, and recorded those words, it shouldn't be in quotes.

"On April 11, James' attorney fired off a letter to UC-Davis demanding an immediate end to the investigation. "Even taking everything [Becky] alleges in her account as true, no reasonable person could harbor even a suspicion that my client acted improperly, let alone that he violated any university policy," wrote the attorney. "It is an outrage that the University is subjecting my client to an investigation under these circumstances."

Now quoting the letter, (so the author must possess it) yet still doesn't disclose the attorney name, or state whether they spoke on or off the record. There is no indication that the author attempted to speak on or off the record with the school.

There should be multiple paragraphs of an actual interview with the attorney, as well as legal staff from the school. Without it, the story is some subjective narrative.

It could be some composite story, but is should state that. If it is in fact real, as a single story, it needs a hefty re-write. As is, it reads some like some bad pulp fiction narrative.

[–]dmfreelance 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I understand you might need pseudonyms for the parties involved, but you don't need them for an attorney representing any party, especially when supposedly quoting him/her

especially because attorney-client privilege basically means nothing short of some serious legal action could possibly force that lawyer to talk about privileged information he was made aware of while serving as the man's counsel.

[–]postyogaera 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It doesn't breach attorney client privilege to talk to the press on behalf of your client. In fact, being an attorney for someone is almost always a public fact. There isn't a single situation I can think of where any attorney would say, "quote me, but don't name me or my client." No such situation exists.

It actually creates an issue where your client may be found to have waived privilege, so no competent attorney would ever agree to such a thing. In fact that is the exact reason, every legitimate article reads, "We spoke to [Steve's] attorney, John Smith of Smith and Jones, who stated, "My client won't be speaking to the press, but he is relived with the panels's findings."

[–]PM_ME_MORE_PICS 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Judged by what?

[–]thrway_1000 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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