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Groundbreaking female U.S. Air Force pilot who was the first woman to fly an F-22 and oversaw the Pentagon's top secret projects, fired for "scolding subordinates like children" and "creating borderline abusive environment"

raffu280

August 20, 2020
127 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8645533/Groundbreaking-female-U-S-Air-Force-pilot-fired-scolding-subordinates-like-children.html
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Title Groundbreaking female U.S. Air Force pilot who was the first woman to fly an F-22 and oversaw the Pentagon's top secret projects, fired for "scolding subordinates like children" and "creating borderline abusive environment"
Author

raffu280

Upvotes 127
Comments 36
Date August 20, 2020 7:09 PM UTC
(5 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/idgnsr/groundbreaking_female_us_air_force_pilot_who_was/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/groundbreaking-female-us-air-force-pilot-who-was.1195785
https://theredarchive.com/post/1195785
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Comments

[–]raffu280[S] 48 points49 points50 points 5 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

"Her leadership style caused several witnesses to say they lost respect for her and question how she had reached the level of major general."

[–]HappyHound 14 points15 points16 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Has vagina explains it.

[–]Dls95405 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's exactly it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

is not like the air force and the other military forces have discriminated against men for years and have removed jobs in a sex selective target.

[–]Throwaway_Old_Guy 33 points34 points35 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

We have a Governor General (the Queen's representative in Canada) who is currently under fire for much the same reasons.

Current, and former staff giving testimony about her unacceptable behaviour towards them.

[–]snehehsb 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can't even walk in the hallway when she's working. She's a fucking bpd nightmare

[–]antifeminist3 27 points28 points29 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

In my lifetime I have met one man who would scold and shame if my performance was deemed below his expectations. All the others were women, and were usually when my performance was similar to others around me.

Why are women leaders so selfish that they cannot realize that such behavior not only does not motivate people to improve, but is demoralizing and creates a 'toxic work environment'? Guys are straight to the point and say, 'do it this way' or 'change that'.

[–]mhandanna 15 points16 points17 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Im not saying its female trait, im saying its indicitive of female leaders though specfically because of this phenomenan where they are artificially promoted despite being bad.... if you let good leaders lead, then the female leaders would not be like that. Look at the UK, the most powerful woman at the moment in politics is probably Priti Patel, who had similar accusations about bullying, Thersesa May, Amber Rudd all had similar problems.

https://www.theatlantic.com/video/index/549818/women-prefer-male-bosses/

Theres tonnes of data showing this btw, its just that (while we hear endless women a are wonderful articles published mainstream e.g. covid women are better leaders,when that is literally a statsitcally false claim, but passes and is gleefully shared by many male feminsits and women) data showing otherwise, well this is what happens:

https://quillette.com/2018/09/07/academic-activists-send-a-published-paper-down-the-memory-hole/

That is serioussly bad in academia, that as flat out aggressive and bullying

[–]raffu280[S] 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Because for the first time in their lives, they have the power and authority to humiliate men publicly.

[–]ShawshankRetention 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They pretty much had this power already in the various social circles they went through. From school to families and every informal social setting. The problem is that they enjoyed it and searched for more.

[–]xNOM 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why are women leaders so selfish that they cannot realize that such behavior not only does not motivate people to improve

It's very childish. IMO It's because they take everything personally. If they don't like you, you're screwed. They also tend to be micromanagers, in my experience.

People prefer male bosses.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/165791/americans-prefer-male-boss.aspx

[–]thisisallanqallan 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Welcome to hell

[–]sorenlerby1984 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Ground breaking female" prefix exonerates women from whatever crime they committed.

[–]Mode1961 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't think this has much to do with being a woman per se, I think it has to do with POWER, people seem to think that when women get lots of power they are going to be so much different than men in power. NO, NO they are not.

[–]Homeward_bounder 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would agree that it's not because she's a woman that she's a poor excuse for a leader but I would also have to agree that she never would have been in the position she had were she a man.

[–]Dls95405 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They're much worse than men. Even women prefer working for men. Female leaders are vicious and have no sense of fair play or honor. Men are taught restraint as boys. Women are taught to manipulate.

[–]ThirdPersonRecording 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

meh, military jackasses in general

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

New Zealand has a prime minister who happend to have a baby just after coming into power and now she behaves like all the citizens are children. She even wasted half a million dollars putting in a kids slide outside of parliament. But all the people with mummy issues love her.

[–]xNOM 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dunlop's confrontational leadership style reached a boiling point on Jan. 4, 2019, when she grabbed a shocked subordinate's hand without her permission to get her attention during a dispute over her calendar and a visitor coming in for coffee.

Ah... now the whole "crying" thing makes sense.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

when I served in the Army, I saw this kind of behavior from females in leadership positions WAY more than men.

It's like women have been raised from childhood being told "if you want to be leader, you've got to be an iron bitch to everyone 24x7".

Men lead by competency, women lead by screaming...it's the unfortunate reality for the armed forces.

[–]CaptainHBomber -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Im sorry, but how is this relevant to mens rights?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

the air force does job cuts in sex selective ways and they target men.

[–]CaptainHBomber -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That has nothing to do with this particular story though

[–]xNOM 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because this is another clear case of affirmative action gone awry in the military.

[–][deleted] 5 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

the u.s military discriminates against men in jobs, this post is a good excue to talk about it.

[–]Dls95405 -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Fuck off troll.

[–]CaptainHBomber -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Cheers for the answer

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah it’s not. It’s just a ‘fuck women’ post. Doesn’t belong here really.

[+]flippersum -12 points-11 points-10 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Just a question, how does this relate to this sub?

[–]GulchDale 27 points28 points29 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

In male dominated fields, women tend to get fast tracked into leadership positions not for their managerial skills and only their gender. This is clearly the case here because the level of toxicity that this person showed doesn't just show up overnight. Then when they are in that position, gross misconduct is ignored and a different yardstick is used even if they do get disciplined. From day one they were blatantly abusing their power and it still took years for anything to happen, and it was a slap on the wrist where no doubt a man would have been fired.

[+]flippersum -21 points-20 points-19 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Im pressing x to doubt. This just sounds like a bad leader being put in leadership role. I really dont see how gender plays any role

[–]antifeminist3 14 points15 points16 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Shaming behavior is a stereotypical female behavior which creates a toxic work environment. I see this almost exclusively in women. Men can be bad leaders, but they still do not do this and create a toxic work environment. I think you are biased.

[+]flippersum -12 points-11 points-10 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly the military in general kinda does that. And by biased i thing you mean being able to look at things from all sides and judge from there. This sub makes vaid points pretty often. But this just....isnt.

[–]mhandanna 11 points12 points13 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Im not saying its female trait, im saying its indicitive of female leaders though specfically because of this phenomenan where they are artificially promoted despite being bad.... if you let good leaders lead, then the female leaders would not be like that. Look at the UK, the most powerful woman at the moment in politics is probably Priti Patel, who had similar accusations about bullying, Thersesa May, Amber Rudd all had similar problems.

https://www.theatlantic.com/video/index/549818/women-prefer-male-bosses/

Theres tonnes of data showing this btw, its just that (while we hear endless women a are wonderful articles published mainstream e.g. covid women are better leaders,when that is literally a statsitcally false claim, but passes and is gleefully shared by many male feminsits and women) data showing otherwise, well this is what happens:

https://quillette.com/2018/09/07/academic-activists-send-a-published-paper-down-the-memory-hole/

That is serioussly bad in academia, that as flat out aggressive and bullying

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

nothing extraordnary, the air force cut jobs in a sex selective way and they target men.

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