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The significance of Karen?

nerfblab · 2020-07-29T16:24:26+00:00

Does anyone here on r/mensrights think that the introduction of the use of `karen' as an insult is a sign of our society slowly changing? Is our...

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July 29, 2020

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Title	The significance of Karen?
Author	nerfblab
Upvotes	21
Comments	24
Date	July 29, 2020 4:24 PM UTC (5 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/i03k3i/the_significance_of_karen/
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[–]jimmywiddle 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I am not sure if you are just here to troll, are massively uninformed, are retarded or are just incredibly naive.....

So I am not going to waste a lot of time on educating you as the evidence of feminist lies is a google search away. However I will give you one example, the 1 in 4 women are victims of rape lie. This nugget of rubbish was taken from a young woman's college paper which got her an F because it's studies were flawed by stupidly small samples size, leading questions, and idiotic boundaries of the definition of what rape consisted of (we are talking just being touched, being looked at etc etc). Instead of the college paper being an example of uneducated drivel coming from a feminist it was instead spread around the world by feminist organisations without (surprise surprise) none of them fact checking. It takes people from places like this who have the skillset of critical thinking to unpick the BS and find out the truth.

So yes feminists are full of it, and they constantly use lies in this case stats manipulation to try and manipulate for influence and money.

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[–]nerfblab3 points 5 years ago* [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

And yet these terms are out there in the culture because a significant number of people are using them.

In my experience it really depends on where you are and the social circles you fit into. I'm personally in a bit of a liberal bubble (I'm a research scientist) and I also separately hang around people in the left `scene' (think antifa, radical feminist, anarchist, wear nothing but black, arrested at rallies, constantly fighting among themselves, smash the patriarchy types). In both of these circles I often run into people with really really crazy opinions and very open and often unchallenged hatred of men.

I also know plenty of extraordinarily caring people who would call themselves feminists who do care about men (my gf for example). The problem is that almost all of them are completely unaware of the problems faced by men. If you don't believe me, then ask the feminists in your life if they can name some of the problems faced by men in society. I have not once met a feminist who has been able to list off more than one or two examples - and usually it takes them quite some time to think of an issue (they most often mention toxic masculinity (or what you call gender rolls), and custody of children). I don't think feminists are a monolith, and I don't think they are evil. I think many have their heart in the right place, but in my experience, feminism causes ideological blindness to problems faced by men, even in really great and caring people.

My criticism is not of women, or women's rights, or anything like that (I know there are still issues to fight for). My criticism is only of the hateful things that I have too often seen, read, and heard. I want the women's rights movement to be strong and have positive impact. But I also want it to forcefully eject the nutjobs and crazy theory that exist in way too great a proportion (in my experience).

I appreciate your response.

[–]MagicalLibtard 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Hhmm, yeah of course any ideology is composed of different people who have different levels of sanity and so things like this will be largely judged from personal experience.

My problem is the sort of blind hatred of feminism that I have seen much in the mra movement and that I personally subscribed to for a while. What I mean with blind hatred is viewing feminism as a horrible misandristic ideology without really knowing what it is and instead generalise the whole ideology after some bad examples. Thinking that for example feminism is against the rights of men when things such as toxic masculinity exist.

Also, being unaware of problems isn’t necessarily wrong since we all choose what problems we are interested in. And so I would probably take it that most feminists are more interested in womens rights and combating patriarchal views.

[–]nerfblab2 points 5 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, you can find a lot of anger here from people that have been really hurt over and over again. Sometimes its just venting that looks hateful, other times its genuine hatred. Whether its justified or not, I'm not a big fan of it.
I think one of the problems with feminism (broad strokes this time) is that it doesn't have good self-correction mechanisms built into it. Feminist theory does not deal very well with criticism (possibly because it has had to deal with large amounts of illegitimate criticism in the past - I'm not certain). As a result, I think there are some real troubling elements (including large parts of patriarch theory) that are set pretty firmly in place. Because this theory is actively being implemented in real policy, I think a constructive critique (that is actually listened to) is well past due.

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[–]novhaku 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just create a karen equivalent for men and we're set, nobody cares. It's not sexist, it's just that feminists and other idiots aren't smart enough to understand that a name resonate more within people than pseudo-sociological concepts no one believes in and no one cares about. But a male karen equivalent would be fine. It's just CONSIDERABLY harder to do. Karen is the caricature of the toxic woman. Thing is, men are caricatured as a whole. So if you create a male karen, let's say jay, he would have to use cliches while being different enough from the usual cliches the whole gender is stereotyped with to begin with, so no violent, constantly horny or whatever, since men are already all stereotyped like that anyway. And good luck with that. The reason there is no male equivalent is because the male equivalent of karen is simply "men". And that's a sad thing. Otherwise, it'd be fine to have a "name" for a particular kind of men (and it'd be way smarter than screaming toxic masculinity and would spread way more easily)

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