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UK Domestic Abuse Bill 2019: One of the defining factors for "economic abuse" is having "sole control of family income". Many fathers are the only working person in a household and could be labelled abusive because they work to provide for their family.

accountancyisboring

September 26, 2019
57 upvotes
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https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/domestic-abuse-bill
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Title UK Domestic Abuse Bill 2019: One of the defining factors for "economic abuse" is having "sole control of family income". Many fathers are the only working person in a household and could be labelled abusive because they work to provide for their family.
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accountancyisboring

Upvotes 57
Comments 10
Date September 26, 2019 1:49 PM UTC
(6 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/d9jwac/uk_domestic_abuse_bill_2019_one_of_the_defining/
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[–]TheRealSquirrelGirl12 points 6 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Alternatively, a guy living with his gf who is on the dole as a single mom is being abused

[–]accountancyisboring[S,🍰] 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I made the title apply to men's rights specifically but you hit the nail on the head.

it's a very vague line that could affect lots of people, it just statistically will affect men more as they tend to be the economic provider in these scenarios.

I can see this being misused to show an ex-husband as economically-abusive as a bid to win custody of children.

[–]antilopes 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

One of the examples of economic abuse is "having sole control of family income". But being the sole breadwinner does not imply control, and it certainly does not imply abusive control.

Also, economic abuse is not automatically coercive control. Usually abuse of various kinds is just abuse. A kick in the bum is not coercive control. Rape is not coercive control unless you do it repeatedly and there is reason for her to think her future risk of rape is conditional on some controllable behavior by her.

To reduce the scope for a false* allegation of abusive control you could use cards rather than cash to create an audit trail of how money is spent, and possibly by whom. You might have one account for shared use and each also have a personal account to which the other does not have access or visibility.

Earnings can be paid either into the shared account or into your personal accounts according to preference. Transfers can be regular or worked out monthly to cover the bills.

* Bonus: this infrastructure also gives you both some protection against genuine abusive control developing.

There are threads on the various /AskXXX subs where couples explain their ways of handling finances. There is a lot of variety.


From the factsheet (not the proposed legislation):
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/817435/Factsheet_Definition_FINAL.pdf

What do you mean by economic abuse?

• Economic abuse involves behaviours that interfere with an individual’s ability to acquire, use and maintain economic resources such as money, transportation and utilities. It can be controlling or coercive. It can make the individual economically dependent on the abuser, thereby limiting their ability to escape and access safety.

• Examples of economic abuse include:

• Having sole control of the family income;

• Preventing a victim from claiming welfare benefits;

• Interfering with a victim’s education, training, or employment;

• Not allowing or controlling a victim’s access to mobile phone/transport/utilities/food;

• Damage to a victim’s property.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It could also making a woman live on a budget, e.g. save for retirement instead of a vacation is now abuse.

[–]EvilLothar 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This just serves to drive more men to not live with a woman in any way. The government gets to tax single people higher as they require seperate residences and need to buy everything they need to live.

[–]Ody_ssey 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

That will further drive away men to marry.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Or here’s a crazy idea, men can do 50/50 childcare so both parents can work. That way everyone’s got their own money.

[–]TheRealSquirrelGirl2 points 6 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Works well if traditional school is what you want. Kinda hard to homeschool while both parents work (and we know traditional school is failing boys)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I’d argue it’s perfect, it’s actually the reason if we have kids we’re doing an equal split, I can teach what I’m good at and they’ll do their strengths. It’s a legal right to request flexible working in the uk which not to say you’ll get it but the more people ask the more normal it becomes.

[–]antilopes 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

50/50 childcare does not work with most jobs.

The common solution is the higher earning partner works a standard 40-45 hour or more week, and the other partner tries to find a part time job close to home and school(s) that fits inside the school run and has enough flexibility for sickness and doc appointments and driving the sports team once a week and taxiing to after school music lessons etc.

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