"It seems to me that if you want to socially engineer a loving and responsible masculinity, men themselves must become thoroughly optional—meaning their participation in romantic partnership and or parenting would not be necessary to the financial security of either a woman or a family."

rahsoft · 2019-05-17T17:57:04+00:00

you mean like how many people in prison, how many teenage pregnancies, are products of single moms who made the father optional

how is that working out for you ??

2019-05-17T19:04:10+00:00

If a woman wants to work and financially support themselves, that's something I can get behind.

DJ-Roukan · 2019-05-17T17:58:48+00:00

If we want to socially engineer a loving and responsible masculinity, we need to tell feminist to shut the fuck up and start looking at their own toxicity, entitlement as well as taking responsibility for causing the problem, before they make accusations such as "responsible masculinity".

Socialism is not the answer,. it is never the answer, but especially in this case. Father's rights are, because it is not economics keeping fathers away from their children. that's just holding up a big, smelly, red fish. It is feminist influence in, and the despicable practices of the family courts, and the misguided assumption that fatherhood is not necessary to the well being of children.

Feminist create a problem, then blame "masculinity" and then decide that the very people that create the problem should have he right to solve it

Yeah, all set, but thanks for playing.

RichardJLyon · 2019-05-18T11:27:57+00:00

This became the explicit basis of UK Family Law after it was rewritten. It now contains the statement: "It can no longer be assumed that a man is an asset to the family". The word "father" was removed from Law.

The instigators of these changes were feminist politicians, principally Harriet Harman QC MP, who continues to seek alterations to UK law to align it with feminist jurisprudence e.g. the valid criminalisation of men following retrospective withdrawal by women of her consent to sex, and removal of laws currently allowing the production of evidence during trial by male defendents proving his innocence or that the woman's allegation is false.

2019-05-18T03:56:28+00:00

And vice versa, but we all know that's not going to happen, is it? A society where women are optional is a society where women actually have to take responsibility for their lives, and there's FAR too many of them that opt to let some dude subsidize or even pay their way.

2019-05-18T03:56:38+00:00

And vice versa, but we all know that's not going to happen, is it? A society where women are optional is a society where women actually have to take responsibility for their lives, and there's FAR too many of them that opt to let some dude subsidize or even pay their way.

2019-05-18T03:57:22+00:00

And vice versa, of course, but that will never happen. A society where women are optional to male happiness and contentment is a VERY different world than they are envisioning.

2019-05-18T03:57:31+00:00

And vice versa, of course, but that will never happen. A society where women are optional to male happiness and contentment is a VERY different world than they are envisioning.

2019-05-18T03:57:41+00:00

And vice versa, of course, but that will never happen. A society where women are optional to male happiness and contentment is a VERY different world than they are envisioning.

2019-05-18T04:24:05+00:00

And vice versa, of course, but that's not going to happen any time soon. They don't want freedom and flexibility for everyone, just women.

2019-05-18T04:27:57+00:00

And vice versa, of course, but something tells me that they don't want men to have the freedom and flexibility to choose or not choose their partners, because that would be devastating for a significant proportion of adult women.

swejap · 2019-05-18T04:57:03+00:00