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"Half of Kyiv population has fled, mayor says". Makes sense. Gender is distributed about 50:50 :)

easyTruth

March 10, 2022
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/mar/10/ukraine-news-russia-war-kyiv-vladimir-putin-volodymyr-zelenskiy-russian-invasion-hospital-bombing-latest-live-updates?filterKeyEvents=false&page=with:block-6229f58f8f08ec6557dfae20#block-6229f58f8f08ec6557dfae20
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Title "Half of Kyiv population has fled, mayor says". Makes sense. Gender is distributed about 50:50 :)
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easyTruth

Upvotes 514
Comments 40
Date March 10, 2022 3:20 PM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/tb0znd/half_of_kyiv_population_has_fled_mayor_says_makes/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/half-of-kyiv-population-has-fled-mayor-says-makes.1210553
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Men 18-60 forced to stay in Ukraine, while women can flee. The guardian of course won't call discrimination. What happend to equality.

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No biggie but typical: Guardian big tribute to the Billionaire daughter on tjr Bayesian

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Men 18-60 have to stay in war zone and die, poor women allowed to leave. What to these strong women fighting for equality ....

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[–]rainbow_bro_bot 147 points148 points149 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Translation: All the women have fled.

[+][deleted] -28 points-27 points-26 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Russian army is ruthless what happens when there are no men to protect all those women and children.

[+]rainbow_bro_bot -17 points-16 points-15 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

A little Russian-phobic there.

[+][deleted] -12 points-11 points-10 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

racist you mean?

[–]rainbow_bro_bot 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Also to point out Russia has over 144 million people. It's a bit of a generalisation to make implications they are all bad just because of one man (Putin).

[–]410LaxMD 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What about the thousands of murderers that willingly went into Ukraine and killed citizens including women and children? Because I imagine those are the Russians the other guy is referencing.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

no I wasn’t taking sides I was giving you the proper term

[–]duhhhh 101 points102 points103 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

So, most women left because they were allowed to leave. Most men didn't because they weren't allowed. I can predict next week's headlines.

"Incells engaging in mass shootings hourly."

[+]almostasenpai -6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

The men don’t seem to have a problem with it tho

[–]DistrictAccurate 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Whilst not directly relevant to the article (which isn't about fleeing ukraine rather than kyiv within ukraine):

The men who don't have a problem with staying don't need a law and physical force to make them stay.

Additionally, misandry is a societal phenomenon that is in no way restricted to women. Men's (internalized) misandry is still misandry and incompatible with egalitarian values.

[–]almostasenpai 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Feminism isn’t really integrated into Ukraine as other western countries. The decision made by Ukraine wasn’t made by feminists and self hating men. It was made by men. Period.

[–]skellious 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I dont blame ukraine for making the deicison i blame my own country for failing to criticise it.

[–]skellious 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

if I were a man wanting to leave, surrounded by my friends and family who were seemingly staying voluntarilty (impossible to know but they might claim to be staying voluntarily for their own sanity), I too would not complain. you dont want to demoralise your side before a war.

the bravest people there are the ones who want to flee but have accepted the reality that they can't and have chosen to fight even though they know it's almost certain death.

I really hope after the war these men will not be left homeless and starving.

[–]almostasenpai 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s unlikely the men in Ukraine will turn out like a lot of our veterans. They’re already being hailed as war heroes

[–][deleted] 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 50 points51 points52 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Just because there's sexism against men isn't an excuse to be sexist to women. EVERYONE in the Ukraine should be afraid. The men should be too, and should be free to leave as a result.

[–]itscoldupheredude 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is also my exact stance on it!

[–]alexmijowastaken 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No, it's cause men aren't allowed to leave the country

They can still leave Kyiv though so who knows how the gender ratio of the people who fled is

[+]itscoldupheredude -9 points-8 points-7 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

so is no one supposed to take care of the kids?? You realized there are kids involved right??

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

so what you are saying is only women can take care of kids? Sexism to both genders ay it’s fines

[–]itscoldupheredude -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is of course based off that they’ve already decided men are being forced to stay. Don’t be dense.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes but the point is the only reason woman aren’t is because of kids and favouritism, and the reason men are is they are strong and dead.

[–][deleted] 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]SomeRegularEmulator 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Kyiv is the name used by Ukraine. For a Ukrainian city.

Kiev is the old Soviet name for what's now a foreign country's city.

[–]Nobel6skull 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s the Ukrainian spelling used to emphasize Ukrainian Independence but you already new that so fuck off back to Moscow tankie. Glory to Ukraine.

[–]_nothing_here_now_ -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Is this a fact or just your own opinion?

You know the population of a city is made up of children and elderly which are of both sexes. Are they also cowards and discriminatory against men?

Also because men are not allowed to leave all the children and the vulnerable people are left in the care of women… what should they do? Stay and get bombed?

This post is just about venting, not defending actual equality.

[–]lightning_palm 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Eligible men (those aged 18 to 60) make up around 30% of the Ukrainian population.

Also because men are not allowed to leave all the children and the vulnerable people are left in the care of women… what should they do? Stay and get bombed?

The law shouldn't discriminate based on gender in the first place.

[–]_nothing_here_now_ -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

So it’s not as 50/50 as OP says, things are more nuanced. As in the way things are now, women don’t have a choice but to leave. There are also those who willingly chose to fight, I don’t see them mentioned in this post.

The law shouldn’t discriminate? I have agreed to this left and right (I even got bashed for saying that the army should change to accommodate women… which for me in means the disparity lessens when wartime comes), but I doubt the Ukrainians will change their ways for anyone in the middle of a war.

[–]lightning_palm 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So it’s not as 50/50 as OP says, things are more nuanced.

Yes.

As in the way things are now, women don’t have a choice but to leave.

First, they have a choice. No one is stopping women from staying. Not all women have children to take care of. And if women cared about their men, they would raise their voices to stop this great injustice. Second, men are barred from leaving precisely because women do not want to let go of the beneficial aspects of their traditional gender roles while reaping all the benefits of liberation from the detrimental aspects.

Why are feminists so awfully silent about this sexist treatment? Isn't that odd for a group that usually says about itself to be for gender equality?

There are also those who willingly chose to fight, I don’t see them mentioned in this post.

They have a choice. The men do not. The number of women who serve is also tiny. Most women do not willingly choose to fight.

I even got bashed for saying that the army should change to accommodate women…

More than 15% of the regular Ukrainian army are women.

[–]_nothing_here_now_ 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You actually think the Ukrainian women who are refugees will raise their voice for something? They are ‘beggars’ in foreign countries, do you actually see women as people? Would you do social justice if you were scared for your life, your loved ones and just travelled a thousand miles to a country you’ve never been to where nobody speaks your language? Please tell me you don’t think the feminazis of the internet are the Ukrainian women who ran from the war.

Also Ukraine is a traditional country, most of them are fine with the traditional gender roles? Or maybe I should go over there and tell them how to run their country?

Let’s save social justice for peace time, when things can be done - like having more professionals in the military, so in case there’s a war the draftees cover only logistic and auxiliary stuff, as well as making sure men are not forced to be sent to war.

Obviously 15% of the army is female so some chose to stay, some did what you just said they should but you use it just to “tell how things really are” instead to take notice that maybe things are not as simple as “all [insert gender] don’t care about the other side”

[–]lightning_palm 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You actually think the Ukrainian women who are refugees will raise their voice for something? They are ‘beggars’ in foreign countries, do you actually see women as people?

You think the men wouldn't were the situation reversed?

Let’s save social justice for peace time, when things can be done

Now is precisely the right time to point out this double standard.

all [insert gender] don’t care about the other side

Who is generalized in the first place? Biological men who are forced to fight this war on the basis of their biological sex.

Also Ukraine is a traditional country, most of them are fine with the traditional gender roles?

They are only traditional when it benefits women. Choose and pick.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

A woman in her 30’s will fight better than 18 y.o. boy. Probably will be stronger physically and definitely psychologically but it’s young guys who must stay and women can go. Of course, there are women who stayed to fight.

[–]_nothing_here_now_ 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You think a 30 year old woman is stronger than a man at his peak? Have you watched women at the gym? They can’t do a pushup correctly? I can’t believe that I have to argue in favor of the only thing everyone agrees one: women are not as physically strong as men.

Also your comment doesn’t really answer to any of the issues that I brought up here - like child / elderly care and the fact that they’ll get bombed if they stay (which already has happened to women in maternities who couldn’t leave)

Did I say women should not join the military? HELL NO, but I get alot of pushback from people who think women are not good enough for military (which could be an argument, but the same people complain about women not risking their lives).

[–]jamasty 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude I can't do pushups either, have asthma, but if military officer commander will push me to go army because I'm man and we have war, what will I answer him? Imo, 30 old woman probably has family, kids she can and want to protect, I, young man - don't yet, so why would I join army but not she, what's the logic?

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[–][deleted] 35 points36 points37 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

No doubt many men have sacrificed willingly. We could argue that this is also influenced by stereotypes and social pressure, but broadly speaking it is not reprehensible.

The problem here is that, while the evacuation of women has been promoted, men are prevented from leaving the country and persecuted to force them to send them to the battlefield/death.

[–]SimaPenguin 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Very well said

[–][deleted] 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[+]z3bru -9 points-8 points-7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There are plenty of women there fighting too... Stop with the disingenuous titles and bullshit... Its the reason people look down on this sub...

[–]Possible_Leopard2103 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The women fled, the men are being held hostage by Zelensky and the US/CNN/Twitter misinformation campaign supports that because muh freedumb fries.

I guess somewhere around 40 years ago muh free and independent news became not free and not independent, now they act as the propaganda arm of the US govt.

Next step is the internet becoming just a propaganda arm of the US, which has already started on Reddit, now everything the govt doesn't want you to read is "misinformation" and banned for your own good.

Welcome to freedomland, where at least we have McDonalds to give you diabetes.

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