Bear with me if this post is meandering and long-winded,... and loooong it's just a bunch of cluttered thoughts I'm trying to streamlined, I'll edit and prune latter on:
So recently I've noticed some streams of "Nice guy" hate.
Which reminds of this and this — relics from disparate corners of the internet that digged in this convo (spoilers, one of them is from Scott Codex)
Now there's an obvious argument I've seen against the mental gymnastics used to justify the hate— "not true with their intentions, are actually misogynistic.. manipulative blah blah blah" and all other stuff that I'd win richer than Elon musk if I were to predict the responses
The glaring truth that no one sees when discussing "Nice guys" is:
There are so many other brands of manipulators out there than just that and they do not get the type of push back all these "nice guys" do.
So if Nice guys complain about how brutes fare better than them (not just why nice guys don't do well, comparative statement there), not in dates only, but in life generally, replies such as those unironically confirms the point — nice guys are misogynistic liars! because
they don't know how to lie better.
(I think most people are really scared to just admit human nature is
beautiful at its core..
I mean little glories like high school bullying to greater grandeurs like calming streams of cartel gore exists... but that's another topic )
Now that aside, what I really want to know is how the evolution came in recent years. I believe the current trend was spurred by that slap on Chris Rock's cheek, here's how I see it:
I remember that time, everyone moral masturbating about how Will couldn't take a joke, the slings of shots on Will's name harder than his slap.
But one important I picked was everything being blamed on him squarely.
Now this is not to excuse his behavior, but I find that whole situation to be an archetypical summation of what happens in the "Nice guy" stuff—
Will Smith is the ultimate of what redpillers'd call the 'beta', especially after that entanglement stuff, now let's time travel to that exact entanglement drama, I predict from then that he'll be villified by those who do the whole anti-nice guy thing?
How did it do that? I dare suggest that people who claim to be anti-redpill nonsense are the same as what they oppose?
Well that was pretty easy— there's this phenomenon I've noticed — the image of masculinity that the redpillers usually attack, is always the same image of masculinity anti-redpillers like on r/niceguys usually attack—
If you want to find out what the average misandrist would do in relation to masculinity.. look at what Andrew Tate would do, it works everytime — it's a variation of this idea that progressivism when it comes to men's issues turn conservatives as fast as flash a pretol-soused person runs away from fire.
Now that we've established that, how does this square in the Will Smith situation?
Will Smith is the ultimate nice guy, and that entanglement stuff leaked gallons of petrol for him in the anti-nice guy camp.
Now he went on to slap a man who verbally abused his wife...
on stage... in the worldwide eye.
Okay, I'm a fan of black humor myself.. humor as black as the sun-branded back of my nice grandad freely laboring under the white eye of Heaven.
But think about this:
There's this messaging you'd see from progressives, unironically, about what "good men", "positive masculinity" "feminist allies" should imbibe, if we look at this from a progressive theory standpoint, here's what happened —
Will Smith defended a woman against an instantiated Patriarchal prejudice of valuing women based on their looks— Objectification .. and the fact it's a joke makes it worse — jokes are subtle ways used to normalize negative systemic beliefs( like misogynistic "women are dumb" jokes).
That's precisely what the average nice guy would do, the reason Will got push back is this:
It exposes the delusions embedded is the Patriarchal "knight in shining armor" archetype used to "protect" women.. but weird enough.. that's precisely what progressives imbibe.
So with signal of that being exposed, one has to perform all stunts of reasoning to explain away why the failing advice of 'just to be nice' is not theirs, but some forbidden fruit from the Patriarchy.
God forbid that one is ideologically inconsistent.
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