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Been seeing a lot of k-closes. What do you think of them?

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January 5, 2013

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Title	Been seeing a lot of k-closes. What do you think of them?
Author	[deleted]
Upvotes	0
Comments	8
Date	January 5, 2013 11:01 AM UTC (13 years ago)
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[–]Maverick9 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

[–]Methaxetamine -2 points-1 points0 points 13 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

[–]Maverick9 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]Methaxetamine 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

this thread http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/15ykz1/after_a_kissclose/ A girl doesn't really care for you and you aren't different from her suitors until you have had sex, in which her perception of you changes and she starts chasing you. Nothing new.

A k-close is the end of the interaction. Ok... So you kissed her. There was a girl I liked that I made out with within 10 minutes. She left. I saw her and the same party and made out with her within 10 seconds of seeing her. where did it lead? Nowhere. Every girl I've fucked still wants to fuck and has feelings for me.

I have had several girls I fingered, made out with, or just plain out didn't have sex with. Do they still like me? Nope. 0 of them talk to me. My girl I'm seeing I had sex with ASAP and she loves me for that. Her last bf waited 6 months.

Everyone can downvote me to hell but you know what? I don't care. Keep k-closing. They can keep their sloppy complicated game with #, and k close. I presented my info. Everyone is too busy getting butthurt than asking how to j-close instantly or within minutes but I'll just keep my secret since I'm apparently not good enough.

[–]Brannus 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The biggest thing I think you are failing to realize (outside of starting with an opinion and abstracting from there) is that for some people... a k-close is a big deal. Yes, yes nothing more came of it and you never saw her again. However, its a stepping stone along the whole progression from AFC to PUA. For an AFC, kissing a girl may come at the end of the date or after a few dates. When it happens you get all giddy and excited. It's a progression along a relationship process which started with a probably awkward period of building up the courage to ask this girl out. For a PUA, a kiss with a girl becomes a dime a dozen. As you have put it > A k-close is the end of the interaction. Ok... So you kissed her. There was a girl I liked that I made out with within 10 minutes. She left. I saw her and the same party and made out with her within 10 seconds of seeing her. where did it lead? Nowhere. In another interaction though, when you have gotten over the fear of rejection from going for that kiss, it ended in a f-close. For some, without that previous attempts (and probably failures) at getting that k-close, they may not have gotten to that point. Yet again... a small stepping stone for that f-close.

You fail to see that you are looking this through the lens of a seasoned practitioner. You have gotten past the, for many men, the sticking point of the k-close. Time and time again, I see people get over their AA on here. A very few do it through not showering for a week and going out. They ask people on a cell phone if they can talk to the person on the line. However, most of people won't do this. They start with asking 10 people in a day for the time of day or something small like this. Then they may move up to keeping a conversation going for 5 minutes and ejecting. This gets to the point of opening up a set, to isolating a target, to f-closes. In order to change yourself, for many, as dramatically as this knowledge does for people, you have to start with small, measurable tasks that are challenging but still can be accomplished.

Some may go 'Hey dude...no one cares. I did X and Y and Z.' Honestly though...what does that do? Does it encourage someone? Does it instill a sense of accomplishment? I think it is safe to assume no. You have to look back to the days when this was a sticking point; when this was the goal. If anything, its the moment when you go 'Hey, this stuff actually worked for me' or 'This moment is when I've made a step forward for myself'. As I said, a k-close is a stepping stone in the whole progression we are all trying to go through here. Is it the ultimate goal which are all seeming to shoot for? Probably not, but to have such a condescending statement as “*A close is the end and I doubt anyone can really be satisfied. You can of course prove me wrong and show me people who are perfectly happy and prefer kissing and going home to jerk it. *”, may be a little harsh and a bit of a stretch.

Now if you want to go around and seeking to eliminate those “lame” FRs about k-closing; more power to you. However, I think many people may agree with me that these “lame k-close FRs” may be the encouragement and motivation to keep going out and pushing the envelope to get that f-close.

Just my .02 on the whole matter. Take from it what you will.

[–]Methaxetamine 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I definitely agree with you. Its good to encourage guys to go for girls. These FR and talks about closing a girl is just a spell for disaster though, its bragging about a kiss!!! I'm anything but a seasons practitioner though, which is why I think its discouraging to say hey you kissed her... good job. I'm still terrible with girls as far as I see. Why move up when you can get to where you're going faster? Why not just have sex and be down with it? Its not a big deal, and going from #, kiss, date, ect is just unnecessary steps.

I suck with girls. partially because the seduction community told me to build up. The naturals just go to sex, and guess what? I like that way more. I'm just sharing info, something that is simple as 'don't act like a fucking high school kid bragging about kissing a girl, I don't even brag about fucking'. The more I see people talking about escalating, buying ebooks as essential reading, bootcamps to have some 'guru' yell at you to talk to a few girls, how to learn how to make girls like you, talking to hundreds of girls, kissing many of them, and then having sex as the end... ehhh just skip all the BS. Its not a big deal and I'm sure you understand what I mean.

AA, AFC, K-close, f-close, its like I've discovered that its mostly nerdy lingo. Approach anxiety? You mean shyness. Average frustrated chump? Sucker. K close? Kiss. F close? Sex. HB8? Hottie. They aren't even good abbreviations. I can see how its mostly commercialized and its just massive silliness.

All the FR ending with # or k close just tell you how to ask for numbers and k close, doesn't really get anyone laid. Its circlejerking to things that I think are silly benchmarks and is harmful more than helpful. If every FR ended with sex, we'd see a walkthrough of everything. All these closes are just pedestals. Its very high school to brag about all the girl's numbers in your phone, how many titties you sucked on, even middle schoolish to brag about kissing a girl or whatever. I don't care to talk about the girls I've had sex with, but I want to make a point. The guy I linked to gets it... he usually fucks the girl, but didn't this time and knew something was wrong.

[–]sedditpro 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]Methaxetamine 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link