TL;DR Went on a run, got some food. Headed back to hers to finish a movie. I didn't feel like making any moves, because I was tired and full of food, but I thought it would put me too far into the companion-ship zone, so I did anyway. (1) Was I ironically therefore not being true to myself? (2) How do you distinguish the line between persistence and seeming desparate/over-stepping the mark? (3) Do you ever stay at a girls when she won't have sex with you, thinking that it may happen in the morning?

EDIT I've decided I did the right thing by going for it... although I think that as a man you should only be doing things you want to do, when you feel like doing them, at the same time, when you are learning this stuff and there isn't too much to lose, I think you need to push yourself as far as you can go, to avoid bending to your scumbag brain which can rationalise your inaction, and also so you gain more and more reference points. So in short - newbs/intermediates should plough on through despite negative feelings, advanced/experts can trust that their intuition and feelings are correct, and therefore do not need to act when they do not feel like it.

Jog

So today I had a date with the blonde girl from my [FR] on saturday. It was a great date actually. We had been talking about running, so I decided to try a jog at the start of the date. A lot of you guys would think that is a stupid idea for a date, but it was something I actually wanted to do so I thought fuck it.

We had a great jog, kept it short and sweet then we headed back to hers to both shower, get changed and head out to get a quick bit of food around the corner at a simple place (I thought about jumping her when she came out of the shower because she looked so hot, FUCK why did I not do that...).

Food + Movie

Anyway, ate loads of food, had a beer and had great chat. We head back to hers to watch a movie. I realised my eyes had been bigger than my belly, as I was so fucking full and I felt tired as balls. We watched the movie, I was glad of the hour distraction to allow things to digest actually (normally I would have probably immediately jumped her when we got back to the flat).

Cramp

So the movie ends, and with ease I kiss and escalate things. To be honest, I'm not feeling it at all, I'm full as hell... Then about 2 minutes in, I fucking get a calf cramp, which always lasts about 3 minutes for me. It kills the buzz a little, but we laugh about it and start kissing again, but the mood is never really there again... and she starts saying "I'm not ready at this moment" or something like that (moment is a word you find European girls using to mean now or at this time)

I initially plough through this LMR with my usual line of "yeah we so shouldn't be doing this" "or this" and "definitely not this" and she is laughing a loving it, and then I start stimulating her a bit, and she gets quite into it. But I dunno what happens then, she just decides no is no, and I'm like that's cool.

Step back

I sit over on another chair and we chat for 10 minutes, then I re-engage, but I know it's not going anywhere, we are both getting pretty tired. I played with the idea of staying, but I didn't want her to think I would stay there like a little puppy without getting sex, so we part on good terms, and I head home which is close by anyway.

Analysis and Questions

I know exactly what some of you are going to say, but I want to hear it anyway...

(1) If I don't feel like escalating for whatever reason, even though it is at a crucial point in the seduction, should I be true to that, or does falling into the friend-zone by not getting sexual enough quick enough take precedence?

(2) Seriously, where is the line between persistence and calmly agreeing with a girls wishes. I mean, she had me back at her flat, she was into it at one point, then suddenly I get LMR!! What? Should I have persisted harder? I always get worried I'm going to seem desperate, even though I'm not, I have just read loads of things that say persist, push hard for the close blah blah blah.

(3) Should I have just stayed and tried again in the morning?

I suppose the one positive point is that I left the interaction further on than I entered it, which is progress.