Don Jon should be a required TRP watch

ubiety · 2014-07-16T07:52:21+00:00

There's been a few Don Jon analysis posts, more so in the movie sub, but my take is Joseph Gorden-Levitt uses the movie as a cautionary take for people who believe in PUA. It criticizes the shallowness of PUAs and promotes 'real' relationships over one night stand culture. Essentially, Don Jon's PUA lifestyle isn't worth it on a moral level, and he finds happiness and pleasure after settling for a post-wall hag.

Believing that someone like Don Jon could pull a 180 and 'see the error in his way' is feminist propaganda at best. The guys watching this film are essentially told to settle for a "meaningful" relationship by losing frame and turning into a self-reflecting beta. Meanwhile, the brings-nothing-to-the-table failure of a woman reaps all the benefits, because 'he likes her just the way she is," give me a break.

nrokchi · 2014-07-16T06:33:03+00:00

I saw the movie. There are a couple of pro-TRP points within the narrative, but I wouldn't call it a true "TRP movie". Don Jon's PUA skill is illustrated as being successful on a couple of levels: he is fit, grooms well (if you're into that kind of style?), keeps is place clean, and is ambitious about his job and personal aspirations (i.e., he's going to school to improve himself and his chances of promotions/advancement). If you are not at the LTR stage and are only focused on plates or ONS, then it is a brief glimpse into how to be successful. I say a brief glimpse because it doesn't show how hard he works to achieve these traits--none of it is easy! For most people new to TRP, it's an entire paradigm shift, so exposing them to the end product might convince them, but it doesn't motivate them and doesn't teach them the necessary discipline to be successful in this manner.

Don Jon's girl friend played by Scarlet Johansson, the one that he thinks is worth the LTR, walks all over him. Continually. She doesn't respect him and there isn't much communication on boundaries. Consider the scene where they are shopping for some curtain rod (or whatever, unimportant). She lays into him, telling him he cannot clean his own house. His retort is simply to state that he enjoys doing it. THIS IS NOT HOW YOU STATE YOUR BOUNDARIES. It was passive! It was a shit test and he failed.

Finally, the older lady. The older lady is an interesting element simply because it shows something that is true: women add to the lives of men. Julianne Moore's character is significantly older than Don Jon, which is a play on how an older woman's experience can shape the mindset of a man. The TRP truth about this? 100% correct! If Don Jon doesn't want the deeper LTR commitment, then he won't go for it. I understand the post-wall position (btw, it's not the classic post-wall woman), but it ultimately doesn't pertain to this movie: a) she doesn't want children; and b) she's not looking for a supporter.

Decent enough. Some lessons in it. Overall, I would suggest it as a simplistic introduction to how one can have success with ONS, with the bolded out caveat that it takes much, much more work than you think to achieve those traits.

metalfan20 · 2014-07-16T04:39:39+00:00

Interesting take on the film. I have not seen it myself but I've heard the opposite form other redpillers. It's certainly a movie I plan on watching down the road.

hermit087 · 2014-07-16T20:39:45+00:00

First half of the movie:red pill. Second half of the movie: generic chick flick.

I don't know if it was because of some movie executive forcing them to change the story to appeal to more people, or the writers simply could not think of a good way to end the movie, but it really is a letdown despite having a few good moments. The alpha "learns the error of his ways" just like every womanizing male lead in Hollywood stories, implying that his life was not awesome to begin with. Plus the actress playing the older woman was over 50, thats just not even believable considering how good Jon is at getting women.

3rt41 · 2014-07-16T08:09:17+00:00

Have a read of my analysis here in this sub, you can find it searching don jon in the search bar

tehwankingwalruses · 2014-07-16T13:16:20+00:00

If you want a TRP film, you should watch Vicki Christi Barcelona.

baconrising · 2014-10-15T11:56:12+00:00

Hey, I know this is an old post, but I just want you to know I totally agree with you on the importance of this to the red pill. I think a lot of guys here missed the some things.

For one, JGLs relationship with Julianne Moore is not a LTR true love situation. They are just having fun, but at the same time being honest and real with each other. I lost my virginity to an older woman with issues and for some reason have mostly dated older women. Their relationship definitely rang true, older women are experienced, they don't care about "Knight-in-shining armor" BS or shit tests or anything a lot of modern "pretty girls" do(Scarlett Johannsens character and the rest of the HB club girls.It's just two people using each other for intimacy and good, hot sex.

I think it's theme about addiction was really eye opening, and how everyone in modern times has something that distracts themselves from authentic humanity, whether it's porn, football, church, rom-coms, cell phones, cars, the gym, etc.

People complain that JGL goes from red pill to beta to blue pill, but I'd say at the beginning, while he's alpha as fuck, his life is meaningless and routine. The Scarlett Johannsen taking over his life was great, he was definitely beta, but at the end, JGL has become a man. He's comfortable missing a workout to have fun and interact, he's cool, calm, collected, and I think that's more important about being Red Pill than just acting alpha.

Overall, loved the movie. Definitely think it's a great take on modern life and relationships.

respectyourprivilege · 2014-07-16T12:30:09+00:00

I think this film certainly shows the perils of not maintaining frame in a relationship, and how a guy can find himself compromising more and more until he's in a pathetic situation without even realising it himself.

The conversation over dinner towards the end has a very important note too, from Don Jon's sister (paraphrase): She didn't love him, she didn't know the first thing about him. She just wanted a guy who would do anything she told him to.

A lot of girls who betafy their men are exactly this. I was dating a girl when I first watched this film, and that line rang so true for me. My girlfriend at the time had no interest in, or even idea about, what I was interested in or what drove me. She just wanted me to be her arm candy, wallet and to do what she told me to. I like to think this film created some sweated brows and awkward atmospheres as so many couples left the theater seriously questioning the nature of their relationships. The red pill was slowly opening my eyes to what was really going on, but this film was the catalyst in instigating change in me. It was too brutal, and too familiar to my life.

Title	Don Jon should be a required TRP watch
Author	SpartanLegend
Upvotes	3
Comments	15
Date	July 16, 2014 4:30 AM UTC (12 years ago)
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