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The Ultimate Heightpill Compilation

HomoheroBishii
December 6, 2018
74 upvotes
/r/BlackPillScience

  • The Economist: Short Guys Finish Last

  • Psychology Today: "Short men have to deal with enormous stigma when it comes to romance."

  • Harvard Bias Test (1700 sample size): "There is a height bias... on the order of things like race or age... The degree of bias is in your face."

  • Research found taller men were more likely to lose their temper. The research was designed to test Short Man Syndrome - or "Napoleon complex."

  • "Taller workers earn on average higher salaries. Recent research has proposed cognitive abilities and social skills as explanations for the height-wage premium. We show that height has a significant effect for the occupational sorting of employed workers but not for the self-employed. We interpret this result as evidence of employer discrimination in favor of taller workers."

  • "5 separate groups of 22 students were asked to estimate the height of a man presented before them whose academic status changed with each of the 5 groups. Results indicate that as ascribed academic status increased, students' estimation of height increased."

  • "Because we expect people to prefer more physically formidable leaders, we predicted our subjects would tend to draw a taller leader meeting a shorter citizen, with height measured by the vertical size of the figures. In fact, that is what we found. More than twice as many subjects drew a taller leader..."

  • Malcolm Gladwell: "In the U.S. population, about 14.5 percent of all men are six feet or over. Among CEOs of Fortune 500 companies, that number is 58 percent. Even more strikingly, in the general American population, 3.9 percent of adult men are 6’2″ or taller. Among my CEO sample, 30 percent were 6’2″ or taller. Of the tens of millions of American men below 5’6″, a grand total of ten–in my sample–have reached the level of CEO, which says that being short is probably as much, or more, of a handicap to corporate success as being a woman or an African-American."

  • "During one of the Republican presidential debates before the 2016 election, the web search company Google tracked what terms Internet users were searching for while watching on TV. The results were surprising. The top search wasn't ISIS. It wasn't Barack Obama's last day. It wasn't tax plans. It was: How tall is Jeb Bush? The search analytics unearthed a curious fascination among the voting public: Americans, it turns out, are fascinated with how tall the presidential candidates are. And they tend to vote for the tallest candidates, according to historic election results and research into voter behavior."

  • "We found a twofold higher risk of suicide in short men than tall men... The pattern didn't seem to stem from socioeconomic or prenatal influences, the researchers write. The results also didn't change much when the researchers excluded men with psychiatric diagnoses."

  • Dutch men are the tallest in the world because that’s what women prefer.

  • Sperm banks require that men be at least 5 feet 8 inches tall.

  • Experiment about height & dating (women admit they would only date a short doctor if all the other men were convicted criminals.)

  • Compilation of disgust towards short men.

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Title The Ultimate Heightpill Compilation
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HomoheroBishii
Upvotes 74
Comments 22
Date December 6, 2018 1:52 PM UTC
(7 years ago)
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Comments

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points38 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

A good compilation here.

5'8" male myself. While I don't necessarily believe that either myself or shorter men should automatically get women, I do think that this is an area completely neglected by the current consensus in American society, which heavily favors the tall and rich on one end, and supposedly disadvantaged groups on the other (women, jews, african americans, etc.). Even though they aren't actually disavantaged in any meaningful way. Try being a woman in the Islamic world. Try being a Jew in Israel. Try living in Africa.

If you are a just a short, everyday man in America, you are basically told to slave your entire life or go fuck yourself and commit suicide, and nobody cares. There is absolutely no social or societal support. Zero.

In the past, we may have had a chance with some beta women, but not anymore.

​

But there are some ways out. You see, if society treats us as crap, we can also treat society as crap. We don't need to give a shit. The social contract has been broken, which in many ways is what mgtow is about.

[–]Bluefishermen13 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

5.3 here and its like having a vasectomy.

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We can be happy even if its delusion, oculus rift is out, anime to cope etc...look at Japan.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I am 5 foot 5 inches. I had a healthy romantic life that lead to my happy marriage. I have not spent much time in the corporate world is so maybe being short is a bigger detriment there. I don't think my height held me back during my Marine Corps career. It really doesn't hold me back where I work now as a classical pianist. Being short is definitely a disadvantage in life but it isn't a deal-breaker either.

All of this said, I have an unusually nice face, maybe face is just the most important thing.....

Looking back though, if I hadn't had worked so hard at everything I did, I would be just another short loser

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

>Good face

Yeah fuck off lmao

[–]Agile_Photograph 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

stop fucking coping. with this treat society as crap bullshit.

[–]danknietzman 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i mean when there's no meaning why not ruin the party for others especially the bullies

[–]CommonHistorian9 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Revenge of HeightHope

" We used data from the Millennium Cohort Study (UK) and compared the distribution of height difference in actual couples to simulations of random mating to test how established mate preferences map on to actual mating patterns."

"In conclusion, we have shown that all previously documented preference patterns for partner height are at least qualitatively realised in actual pairings. We note, however, that compared to random mating the magnitude of these effects was generally low, suggesting that mating preferences were only partially realised. These results are in line with a recent study that showed that traits considered strongly related to attractiveness, such as height, are not necessarily strongly related to actual pairing"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3546926/#pone.0054186-Courtiol2

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" Interestingly, however, men’s reported sexual behavior only partially reinforced the preference data. Consistent with the idea that women prefer relatively tall men, the shortest men in the sample reported fewer partners than other men. These findings confirm that height is relevant on the mating market. Across most of the height continuum, however, there was little variation in mean or median number of reported sex partners. Further, men between 5′7″ and 6′3″ (170–191 cm) varied little in whether they had more than 5 partners, had more than 14 partners, engaged in extra-pair sex, or were currently single. Given that very tall men may have a smaller dating pool, the lack of downturn among taller men in number of sex partners may indicate that these males are successfully using intrasexual competition or direct benefits to obtain more mating opportunities, a point future research may clarify.

The relatively limited variation in sex partner number for men across much of the height continuum is difficult to explain."

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1474704915604563

" Our study found no significant difference in the proportion of variance accounted for in our model by penis size and height (6.1% vs. 5.1%)"

"The shoulder-to-hip ratio, however, accounted for a much larger proportion of variance in attractiveness in our model (79.6%)."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3637716/

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

I don't care for that second link, because the most it proves is how you have to be at least 5'7. Doesn't help any guy under that, like myself. It straight up says the shortest men in the sample had fewer partners.

What are your thoughts on the studies/facts not related to mating?

[–]CommonHistorian9 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Not really. If you look at the 2nd link, the dropoff for guys under 5'7 isn't that significant.

The other studies show a modest effect on income.

And I bet if you simply controlled for the correlation between height and IQ those effects would drop off even more.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

If you look at the 2nd link, the dropoff for guys under 5'7 isn't that significant.

It sounds pretty drastic to me. From an article about the same study: "medium-height to tall men declared one to three times more partners than their shorter counterparts." You don't think potentially tripling the odds is very significant?

Besides, like the woman in the comments section correctly states: "Number of partners is not correlated with attractiveness of an individual and quality of sexual life." The short guys could be betabuxes.

The other studies show a modest effect on income. And I bet if you simply controlled for the correlation between height and IQ those effects would drop off even more.

Do self-employed short people have similar IQ as self-employed tall people? Why is there no prevalent earnings gap there?

Calling it a "modest" effect on income is also pretty disingenuous. Like Malcolm Gladwell points out, height may very well be a better predictor of income than race or gender.

[–]CommonHistorian9 -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

As I said, read the actual paper:

"The mean and median number of sex partners for men of different heights were: very short (9.4; 5), short (11.0; 7), average (11.7; 7), tall (12.0; 7), very tall (12.1; 7), and extremely tall (12.3; 7)"

Not a big difference.

And the woman in the comments is just assuming.

Assortative mating would suggest the mates facial attractiveness matching the short male's attractiveness...as well as the height, as the other study indicates.

I'm not sure why Gladwell would say such an obviously wrong thing. There is no real discriminatory gender wage gap, and the height gap is much less than the black white income gap.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

I see what happened. Those news articles added in the "times" part so it became "1-3 times more partners" instead of "1-3 more partners."

I still don't like how we're talking as if every sexual partner is equal. A short guy using his money to get laid is lumped into the same numbers as a tall guy who had a fulfilling relationship. I still think these short guys are either lying or are betabuxes: "On the income side, if you think of marriage as a market and tallness as a valuable commodity, short men “make up” for lacking it by earning more money... This further confirms an existence of height-based status exchange in which short men compensate for their lower physical status with higher proportional earnings, while tall men appear more likely to use their status to attract women..."

the height gap is much less than the black white income gap.

Gladwell was pointing out how 6.8% of CEOs are black, but only 2% are short.

Anyway, why did you address everything except the question about self-employment? Wouldn't self-employed taller people still have higher IQ on average than their short counterparts, thus leading to a similar height gap? Let's talk about this instead of self-reported stats.

[–]CommonHistorian9 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

. I still think these short guys are either lying or are betabuxes

How, there's another study I linked that shows people assortatively mating for height and that height preferences don't have that large of an impact on the dating world -- and those weren't self-reported stats.

And this notion of money not generating attraction is silly:

"Previous research in Germany and America has looked at attributes such as body symmetry and attractiveness, finding that these are also linked with orgasm frequency. "Money, however, seems even more important," he said.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/4285142/Women-get-more-pleasure-in-bed-from-wealthy-men.html

Women orgasm more for wealthy men, too.

Gladwell was pointing out how 6.8% of CEOs are black, but only 2% are short.

Okay, and I wonder about how much of that is due to a certain IQ threshold that is attributable correlation between IQ and height.

And perhaps success as the self-employed businessmen, due to the nature of the environment, serves as the IQ threshold so eliminates or diminishes that correlation.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/4285142/Women-get-more-pleasure-in-bed-from-wealthy-men.html Women orgasm more for wealthy men, too

Women orgasm more with attractive men. It just so happens that rich men are more likely to be tall and handsome. Along with short men, ugly people and bald men make less money as well. You really think women would orgasm more with a rich 5'2 balding ugly guy?

Also, from Psychology Today: "How important is a man's income? It accounts for just under a fiftieth of the differences in self-reported orgasm frequency according to their statistical analysis. In other words, 98% of the differences in self-reported orgasm frequency are not explained by the man's income. That is a very small fraction of a very squishy measure."

The researchers from your link also outright admitted their initial findings were flawed: https://www.ehbonline.org/article/S1090-5138(09)00064-6/abstract

And perhaps success as the self-employed businessmen, due to the nature of the environment, serves as the IQ threshold so eliminates or diminishes that correlation.

But again, why would self-employed tall people still not do noticeably better? Why does it go:

employed short people<employed tall people

self-employed short people=self-employed tall people?

So more IQ tends to lead to more money, until it helps support my argument? That's convenient. Going by the assumption that the self-employed are more intelligent on average (I've seen some papers claiming such), wouldn't the IQ difference still be:

employed short people<employed tall people

self-employed short people<self-employed tall people?

At the very least you would expect the income gap to still resemble regular workers, albeit diminished/scaled accordingly. But for it to virtually vanish is, again, very convenient. Too bad I can only find the average IQ of successful entrepreneurs like self-made millionaires. What I need is the average IQ of self-employed people in general, to determine if the tall ones are in the 130+ range. Somehow I doubt the odds, because only about 2% of people are in that range, where extremely high IQ might give diminishing returns/hurt their chances. I don't think that's enough to eliminate your initial height/IQ theory for self-employed folk. My theory is less convoluted: the appearances of self-employed people matter less, because there's no employer to judge them on looks.

Also, if it's mostly due to IQ, then why do short women seem to suffer less than short men from the effects? "There was no real household income difference between short and tall women." Why would short women not do just as poorly against tall women, as short men versus tall? Do short females have higher IQ? Or could this not instead simply be explained by how it's socially bad to be short as a male, but not a female?

Either way, the fact that you're trying to lessen the effects of standing Demetrious Johnson next to Brock Lesnar by boiling it down to IQ is pretty funny, especially considering how the height/IQ correlation (0.2) isn't huge enough to account for 58% of CEOs being tall. There's a bigger correlation with lower IQ and being black, yet there are more black CEOs than short ones.

Who would you instinctively take more seriously if they barked an order, a 5'3 guy or a 6'3 guy? Who has the advantage of being viewed as a powerful leader, assuming similar IQ/skillsets/confidence? The fact that you believe IQ comes into play more than the obvious, instantly perceivable size difference makes me think you're not a fan of Occam's Razor. https://i.imgur.com/FjtbLfq.jpg

P.S. I'm not sure how telling short men that we're fucked due to lower IQ counts as "HeightHope." There's even less we can do about IQ than societal prejudice. Is this hope for us, or you? So you can downplay how much you and other humans gauge men on height, even though experiments show otherwise:

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuLt8M2vySM

[–]CommonHistorian9 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It just so happens that rich men are more likely to be tall and handsome

No, dude. They've controlled it for WEALTH.

You really think women would orgasm more with a rich 5'2 balding ugly guy?

Yes.

I don't think you understand how powerful money is.

Also, from Psychology Today:

Oh, okay, cool so you're into explained variance now?

Height explains 5% of variance in attractiveness ratings. Shoulder-hip-ratio explains 80%.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3637716/

The researchers from your link also outright admitted their initial findings were flawed:

K, toss that study out. Explain this one:

" While we found attractiveness (note that this may or may not have been interpreted by participants to refer to physicalattractiveness) was rated higher in high-orgasm partners, we found no significant difference, after correcting for multiple comparisons, between high- and low-orgasm partners in terms of putative ‘good genes’ traits such as intelligence, athleticism, and fitness, nor sexually dimorphic traits such as height, dominance, muscularity, and voice depth. The pattern found in our results suggests, conversely, that women's orgasms depended more on traits potentially representing investment and attentiveness (e.g. faithfulness, emotional warmth) than classic markers of good genes and masculinity. "

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5084725/

wouldn't the IQ difference still be:

Why?

If there's an IQ floor beyond which the main determinant of success is the product finding a market, height wouldn't matter...

Why would short women not do just as poorly against tall women

Household income isn't personal income.

Either way, the fact that you're trying to lessen the effects of standing Demetrious Johnson next to Brock Lesnar by boiling it down to IQ

I didn't boil it down to IQ. You're here pointing out the weak correlation, but the income/wage gap is also pretty small too, so...

Who would you instinctively take more seriously if they barked an order, a 5'3 guy or a 6'3 guy?

I would take neither seriously because that's a stupid way to think about effective leadership. Effective leaders tend to have the best ideas and are able to defend those ideas with coherent thought processes and rational explanations.

Do you work in a professional occupation that requires high education and that is also very competitive?

There aren't many people barking orders, and the ones who get away with barking orders are ones who tend to be able to back their ideas up just that well.

Life isn't Dilbert.

I'm not sure how telling short men that we're fucked due to lower IQ

The wage gap isn't enough for anyone to think they're 'fucked' to begin with, so...

So you can downplay

I cited a study with literally thousands of couples showing that height doesn't really matter that much in the dating world beyond the male-taller norm.

I cited another study showing no much variation in sex partners.

I cited yet another study showing that height doesn't explain much variance in attractiveness ratings.

You're here trying to niggle over the cause of a fairly insignificant wage gap as your last saving grace, buddy.

[–]icarebot -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I care

[–]crestind 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Many of my old classmates went to med school. One of them is very short. I think maybe 5'6" or less. He is the only single one, and he laments it frequently on Facebook. I do not know if he is aware of the cause, which I believe to be his height. Even worse he randomly switched his specialty to OB-GYN. I hope I don't wind up seeing his mugshot on the evening news one night.

[–]Bluefishermen13 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"short men bring out a fuse in me, they have the audacity to be confident"

[–]ThatMan11997 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The thing is... What is considered "short" and at what height do you gain a significant advantage in the dating game?

[–]TrannyPornO -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But no OVB research

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