I think sometimes the message here gets lost. You see posts being insulting and rude towards others who are not necessarily that interested in raising their "SMV" above all else to "get laid". That type of thinking in many ways is no better the blue pillers. Focusing everything on women and running their whole life around it. I'm sure lots of women read those posts and smile to themselves, because in a way its no different to directly making your life about them, just doing it in a more indirect way.

The primary goal as I see it of this sub and the advice we give should be giving men some of their wellbeing back and improving their lives. Encouraging them not to live a life controlled by women and society expecting them to fulfil gender roles and to improve themselves in a way that enables them to be confident and proud of who they are. The ultimate goal is not to trash aspects of our life we enjoy to 'raise our SMV' or do fit a predefined role of what we should be.

If a guy really doesn't want to go out to clubs and 'approach' or work on his 'game' there is nothing wrong with that, as long as he genuinely has no desire to do it and is not being controlled by fear of failure. The PUA lifestyle is simply not enjoyable for many men.