The Brutal Facts (podcast on an interview of a general who survived being a POW in Vietnam)

alt30313 · 2013-12-18T20:40:59+00:00

"His captors were going to parade him in front of cameras to show their "ethical treatment of prisoners" which was complete bullshit, so he bashed his own face in with a stool to stop them from using him in their propaganda. The guy is a war hero (in more ways than that)."

FaustusRedux

Dennis Miller has become a total mess, but I will always give him credit for standing up for Stockdale when people were making fun of him.

madtoad 3 hours ago

Had to go look for it after you mentioned it because I remember that. Couldn't find a video clip, but I found the quote:

"Now I know [Stockdale's name has] become a buzzword in this culture for doddering old man, but let's look at the record, folks. The guy was the first guy in and the last guy out of Vietnam, a war that many Americans, including our present president, did not want to dirty their hands with. The reason he had to turn his hearing aid on at that debate is because those f+++ing animals knocked his eardrums out when he wouldn't spill his guts. He teaches philosophy at Stanford University, he's a brilliant, sensitive, courageous man. And yet he committed the one unpardonable sin in our culture: he was bad on television."

COURAGE UNDER FIRE: Testing Epictetus's Doctrines in a Laboratory of Human Behavior by James Bond Stockdale http://www.hoover.org/publications/monographs/27147

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Some great comments in the other thread. Haven't had a chance to check out the podcast yet but the guy is legit.

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Edit:

He did more than the initial quote I found implied: "When told by his captors that he was to be paraded in public, Stockdale slit his scalp with a razor to purposely disfigure himself so that his captors could not use him as propaganda. When they covered his head with a hat, he beat himself with a stool until his face was swollen beyond recognition."

As the senior Naval officer, he was one of the primary organizers of prisoner resistance. Tortured routinely and denied medical attention for the severely damaged leg he suffered during capture, Stockdale created and enforced a code of conduct for all prisoners which governed torture, secret communications, and behavior. In the summer of 1969, he was locked in leg irons in a bath stall and routinely tortured and beaten.

When Stockdale was discovered with information that could implicate his friends' "black activities", he slit his wrists so they could not torture him into confession.

He was awarded 26 personal combat decorations, including the Medal of Honor and four Silver Stars.

"This is a very important lesson. You must never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end—which you can never afford to lose—with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever they might be.""

Stockdale was Ross Perot's VP running mate and made a gaffe in the medias/publics eyes during the debate.

Perot intended to replace Stockdale with another candidate, but did not do so before he dropped out of the race in July 1992.[15] Perot eventually re-entered the race in the fall of 1992, with Stockdale still in place as the vice-presidential nominee. Stockdale was not informed that he would be participating in the October 13 vice-presidential debate held in Atlanta, Georgia, until a week before the event. He had no formal preparation for the debate, unlike his opponents Al Gore and Dan Quayle, and did not discuss any political issues with Perot beforehand.[15]

However, his unfocused style for the rest of the debate (including asking the moderator to repeat one question because he didn't have his hearing aid turned on) made him appear confused and almost disoriented. An unflattering recreation of the moment on Saturday Night Live later that week, with Phil Hartman as Stockdale, cemented a public perception of Stockdale as slow-witted.

Pushnikov · 2013-12-18T18:04:53+00:00

I thought this was really poignant. What the interviewee says to the interviewer and relayed through the podcast is that the optimists never make it and get heartbroken. (NAWALT).

Where the general says, "You have to face the brutal facts, no matter what they are".

It says basically what every new Red Piller needs to hears.

[deleted] · 2013-12-19T04:13:41+00:00

This is excellent stuff, thanks for posting it.

Title	The Brutal Facts (podcast on an interview of a general who survived being a POW in Vietnam)
Author	Pushnikov
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Date	December 18, 2013 6:03 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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