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Men to blame for childless women? I don't think so - it's society that deliberately disenfranchises fathers, says Peter Lloyd

Lord_Perseus
May 25, 2013
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Title Men to blame for childless women? I don't think so - it's society that deliberately disenfranchises fathers, says Peter Lloyd
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Lord_Perseus
Upvotes 58
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Date May 25, 2013 8:18 PM UTC
(13 years ago)
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[–]Sword11 26 points27 points28 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Love this comment

"Such is the bitter harvest of feminism, felt in the UK, Australia, and here in America as well. To the footstomping snarky feminist who professes a right to "have it all", I turn invisible and cowardly slink away, silently thanking God for His Grace in the face of a disastrous union looking for a place to happen. These women are the "over the back fence" gossips of yesteryear, disguising their own misery and poison as an insight in some greater social agenda. We mustn't shut these women up. Only when such women speak can men understand that the unremarkable bedfellows of Vanity and Selfishness nurtures True Narcissism. And True Narcissism recognizes no Significant Other. Everytime a man reads this article, or one like it, another adult life is potentially saved from ruin."

[–]Lord_Perseus[S] 18 points19 points20 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Was surprised to see a take down like this be published by the Daily Fail but nonetheless pleased. Even more pleasing was seeing all the hamsters in the comment section be massively downvoted. Usually RP comments get that treatment

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Daily Fail just wants controversy and clicks. They have no agenda, one day they will publish total MGTOW/MRA stuff, while the next day they will publish something that could have come from Jezebel.

[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just want that cash money. Doesn't matter if it's legit or trashy. Though with the daily mail it's usually the latter.

[–]Lord_Perseus[S] 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yup the DM has the maturity & self-discipline of a 3 yr old boy who runs around touching himself in public. Big time attention whores

[–]3Ill_mumble_that 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or big time success. Look at the piles of ad money they take in.

[–]soapjackal 14 points15 points16 points 13 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

Feminism got that it wanted in Britain and Japan, now they have to live with the consequences.

Speaking of Japan

http://mobile.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2009/06/the_herbivores_dilemma.html?original_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Feruditeknight.wordpress.com%2F2013%2F02%2F05%2Fjapans-herbivore-problem-likely-our-future%2F

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120696816

Both of these articles blame the 1980's economic push for today's weak Japanese men, women aren't even mentioned.

[–]braveathee 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Where is the "blame" ? The articles look neutral to me.

[–]soapjackal 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Blame = describes the source of causation

[–]braveathee 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"Blame" implies that the thing which is blamed is negative.

[–]soapjackal 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 14 points15 points16 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Men are being blamed for childless women in the first place? That's like a guy who is losing money blaming everyone for not buying his product. How about...make a better product?

[–]OrangeJuliusPage 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

How about...make a better product?

I have seen British women, and other than the top 1% or so who are actresses or who hook up with footballers and rock stars, the rest are nothing to write home about. I don't blame Brit men for passing, especially since even an average looking Brit dude would get more mileage out of his accent in the US, Canada, Australia, etc. than a Brit female of equal looks.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a big mystery for me, I lived in Birmingham for 3 years. The genes would be okay... most children and teenagers are cute. Just the standard, Scandinavian-type blonde, transparently pale stuff. And then they grow up and you get this: http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01734/SNN2605CAM---_1734777a.jpg

And she isn't even fat, which means top 20%.

I have no idea how is this even possible.

[–]socal83 23 points24 points25 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

it's pretty obvious that women aren't happy no matter what.

[–]Lord_Perseus[S] 11 points12 points13 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And most men obsess over how best to please them smfh

[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Only if you follow the script. Shred it and do your own thing.

[–]TRP Vanguardss_camaro 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Should be in the footnotes.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's the fault of men insofar as they're making the logical choice given the current environment.

[–]StuffBetweenThings[🍰] 19 points20 points21 points 13 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

She then added that men who date women without immediately signing up for parenthood are committing some sort of 'fraud'.

She was in the same fraudulent LTRs, I don't believe for a second that she made it clear while having sex she was mainly sticking around in the hopes of getting his kids, resources and ability to control every aspect of his life.

Of course, women are led to believe that relationship definitions outside of hookups are heavily weighted in their favour and therefor exist mainly to meet her expectations.

Sex is rarely an equal act in relationships, the woman uses it to reward and promote future behaviour and the man wants it to feel normal, wrongly assuming the feeling is mutual.

[–]nillotampoco 13 points14 points15 points 13 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

"...wrongly assuming the feeling is mutual." This is the hardest pill to swallow right now, I found this community literally today and this is by and large the hardest thing to accept or swallow. I've always had the idea that most women have the same romantic notions as I do, even fantasized about it.

[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp 9 points10 points11 points 13 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

If we're talking about sex, they want it most with a man who looks physically strong, confident, and dominant. The man with the most alpha traits available to them. They want his DNA and it's speaking right to the selfish genes. You'll have the filthiest, most savage, animalistic sex when those conditions are met (it is also all relative - you don't have to be the super alpha stud, just above the rest of the men available to her).

If you're anything else to her, sex is more like a bargaining or bartering item for other things a man has, but not his genes. Or worse, she'll trick you into satisfying her needs without giving you anything you desire in return (beta orbiters), or seek the alpha for the sex mentioned above while using you for resources with the least sexual investment possible (alpha fucks, beta bucks; cuckold).

[–]nillotampoco 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

So what should a guy do if he desires a monogamous relationship?

[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Don't slip into beta-mode, and have options. Realize that female commitment is not equal to male commitment. The latter devotes more to the relationship because he is the pursuer and not the selector; she is constantly evaluating other men she meets.

[–]3Ill_mumble_that 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Also, keep alpha males the fuck away from her. It's like when men cheat, it all starts by looking at an attractive woman and rationalizing with yourself why it should be okay for you to so it.

The key difference though is that a man who cheats hasn't lost interest and isn't usually looking to replace his main wife, he just wants concubines.

A cheating woman doesn't need/want more than 1 Alpha in her life at a time. When a woman cheats she does it because she isn't interested in her husband as her main man anymore.

[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A cheating woman doesn't need/want more than 1 Alpha in her life at a time. When a woman cheats she does it because she isn't interested in her husband as her main man anymore.

Indeed. She'll have one alpha, but try to bait other men for their resources, attention, and validation.

It can be tough but if you slip up just remember: don't chase, replace. The experience makes you a better man and keeps you from feeling trapped with one girl.

[–]braveathee 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

A cheating woman doesn't need/want more than 1 Alpha in her life at a time.

What is the evidence for that ?

[–]3Ill_mumble_that 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think an actual scientific study has been done on this, so most of it will be anecdote. You could take the example of every cheating story ever reported on /r/twox /r/relationshipadvice and /r/sex and it would be in favor if it.

Where is the evidence to the contrary?

[–]nillotampoco 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This makes a lot of sense, thanks VZPurp. Can you link me to any reading about Beta behavior and sayyy how to avoid it?

[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/

http://therationalmale.com/

[–]Endorsed Contributor30303030303030 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

http://www.rooshv.com/top-15-game-tips-for-long-term-relationships

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

http://marriedmansexlife.com/ has some good pointers, if you're into that sort of thing.

[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm going to have to disagree. Athol Kay may have adopted some better [alpha] traits to maintain a sexual relationship with his low SMV wife, but most men need to kill that bluepill mentality and kill it fast.

Even if you want a monogamous relationship, the info here is better. I'd take Rollo's rationalmale advice any day over Athol Kay and his MMSL.

[–]socal83 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

ALWAYS BE WILLING TO WALK.

same shit in business. if you can't walk away, what fucking leverage could you POSSIBLY have? that is some delusional shit.

[–][deleted] 13 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

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[–]nillotampoco 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

That's a little unfair, your comment seems to suggest that women are incapable of monogamy.

[–][deleted] 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

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[–]3Ill_mumble_that 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Nah fuck that. I read what I want. I read through some of it. It being Required makes this place feel like a cult. Of course I have a free mind and understood that before even coming in here.

Nothing is true, everything is permitted.

[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp 12 points13 points14 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's required in the sense that it'd give you a better understanding of what people here might be thinking; it is not required that you accept it blindly and at face value. Never do that, for any information or source.

[–][deleted] 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp 10 points11 points12 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Didn't you get the memo? Men are always at fault, and women are victims. How many times must this be repeated? Do we need to codify a male tax in the law now? Man up!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Is it rape if a woman has sex with a man and says she's on birth control but isn't?

[–][deleted] 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

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[–]IHaveALargePenis 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes.

[–]braveathee 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This doesn't answer /u/VikingNipples' question.

[–]IHaveALargePenis 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well technically any non agreed upon act is rape when it comes to women. See all the stories about women consenting but then screaming rape when something happened like a twin brother bedding her. Therefore impregnating her while claiming you're sterile would be rape since she would have never consented otherwise.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No it's called being a sperm thief.

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