Modern relationship and how they are view by the culture have become decidedly gynocentric with heaping helping of "OH NO HE DIDN'T" [snaps figures] With advice like Happy wife happy life, and men being portrayed either as complete idiots in the media or terrible abusers. While always portraying women perfect but being held down by their dumb fuck males spouse which should be happy she will have him.

Side bar: Oddly enough this trend of male idiot spouse is dictated by advertising that targets at women which also has these troupes. This raises the question since women respond toward that advertising (other wise they wouldn't use it) are women inherently misandric. Also we have seen this with complaints of men being chastised for every thing by women in relationships. It seems clear that there has been some bleed over.

That said it seems to me at least like the expectations in a relationship have shifted decidedly on to the men. If the relationship isn't working it the mans job to fix it. If the relationship hits a rough patch it the mans fault. If man cheats he's terrible, if man is abusive he's terrible. But if a woman cheat it's what did he do to cause it, if a woman is abusive it's what did he do to cause it. Society puts all the agency in the relationship on to the man. This goes along with often pushed troupe by feminist for women as victim. By always view the woman as a victim rather than a possible perpetrator you deny her agency and change her from an agent to subject, and you disallow a man to be vulnerable and take on a victim role.

This isn't necessarily a new phenomenon but an amplification of an old one. Viewing women solely as victims or subjects rather than agents with full autonomy and responsibility for a situation isn't new. But it seems to me that it has been amplified in over the course of the past 20 years. I would argue because of feminist narratives about female victomhood and glorification of victomhood. Combined with male demonetization. This amplification has put the responsibility of the relationship all on the man.

Enter The Red Pill & MGTOW (which won't be covered because they dropped out of the game or are in the RP camp).

The assertion of RP as i under stand it is thusly:

  1. Women in relationship no longer are holding there end of the tent.
  2. Marriage is dead, and there is no point in getting married any longer.
  3. Most women are not worthy of Long term commitment. (you all know the RP logic here).
  4. Women use men as providers and provide sex as compensation for such but actually desire men with more dominant characteristics.
  5. Women have no qualms about using men.
  6. Hypergamy
  7. Sluts are bad
  8. Men have a right to angry at this current situation and TRP is a safe space
  9. Men aren't warned to watch out for (some) women

Stop me if I left out some thing or you feel I have mischaracterized the RP position.

Enter the Blue pill counter arguement Which states that RP is wrong.:

  1. RP over blows many of the the issues they claim.
  2. They are in platos cave
  3. Red pill advocates unethical practices
  4. Red Pill has confirmation bias and sites shoddy research to back up their clams
  5. Red pill treats the symptom not the disease./ red pill works against a long term fix.
  6. Same is true for both men and women
  7. The sexes are more similar than dissimilar

Stop me if I have missed some thing or have mischaracterized the blue pill position

The red pill and blue pill argument is an argument that really isn't happening else where in society. Everyone knows the game sucks but no one has bothered to discuss why much less how to change the game. Women complain men wont man up and fulfill there gender role as provider. Men complain women only see them as walking atms.

And so it goes....

Every one is talking at each other not to each other. Given the changes in society over the course of the last 60 years this conversation about roles in relationships is long over due. Women aren't staying at home any more (nor should they). Men aren't the sole wage earner anymore (nor should they be). Society has moved forward but the dating dynamic and expectations are still stuck in the 70's. Also there is a very real case to be made that monogamy isn't really going to be a thing with in a generation or two due to the shift in economic power, and women being independent of men economically.

These things combined really brings this board into the fore front of a discussion about relationships in general, Individual dynamics, gender roles and there place in society (if there is one). What men should expect of women and what women should expect of men, and what is equitable in a relationship. Also this conversation needed to happen so men and women can stop seeing each other as the other. There really is an empathy gap for both genders. I would ague the male side of the empathy gap is worse, but then again I am a shit lord MRA.