Let me preface this by saying this does not break rule 9. Looks vs personality debates have been a recurring staple of this sub and nobody is banned or removed for it, it becomes incel content when hateful ideology is attached. Here's a list of things that the men, women, blue pillers, red pillers, and pink pillers of this sub have accepted about modern sex dynamics, along with evidence that they've been accepted:

  1. Most men (somewhere between 67% and 90%) of men are sexually unattractive. Evidence.
  2. AFBB. Defined as such: Women have casual sex with attractive men in their youth then settle down with unattractive men I haven't seen anyone on this sub even try to seriously attack the existence of AFBB. Only whataboutisms and "AFBB is real but doesn't matter and only matters to men that are insecure about n count." At this point it's something we all just accept, because we know it's true and can't really be argued against.
  3. The traits that make an attractive man sexually attractive are primarily rooted in genetics, not in personality or alterable physical traits. Evidence 1. Evidence 2.

The collective upvoters and commenters of this sub have concluded that there is a genetically unfortunate underclass of unattractive men who only exist to be providers, which is also exactly what I happen to believe. This sub refuses the black pill and outright bans incels (rule 9), but has accepted every blackpilled point separately. The blue pill is supposed to disagree with all three points, and because nobody in this sub really argues against these points, nobody here is bluepilled. The red pill is supposed to agree with 1 and 2 but disagree with 3, yet the "redpillers" in this sub consistently agree with point 3.

Why does nobody here want to admit that we're all just blackpilled?