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Amused Mastery, Outcome Independence, Agree and Amplify, Frame, etc.

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October 21, 2019
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It seems to me that when one’s frame/will is subjected to the Will of God, then the more that one will exhibit these traits. However, I’m trying to understand how they are interrelated as they are not separate from each other per-se.

How could one understand these concepts in a biblical way?


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Title Amused Mastery, Outcome Independence, Agree and Amplify, Frame, etc.
Author SingularityOne198
Upvotes 10
Comments 8
Date 21 October 2019 12:24 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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Link https://theredarchive.com/post/304614
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/askRPC/comments/dksfrg/amused_mastery_outcome_independence_agree_and/
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[–]Red-Curious5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy

Amused Mastery - Approaching a situation from a higher perspective that lets you appreciate the light and humor in it, while simultaneously conveying a depth of insight that transcends those caught up in the immediacy of the circumstances.

  • "My ways are higher than your ways; my thoughts are higher than your thoughts." When we let ourselves escape the immediate frustrations we deal with and see from God's perspective, our attitude in difficulty shifts from frustration to appreciation and intrigue.

Outcome Independence - Not getting hung up on rejection or acceptance on a particular occasion.

  • "Whether you turn to the right or to the left your ears will hear a voice behind you saying, 'This is the way, walk in it.'" There's no one clear, definitive outcome. People make choices and God leads us on. Don't get hung up on what choices you make and whether they're right or wrong, and certainly don't get in a tizzy over someone else's choices.

Agree and Amplify - A technique for responding to accusations or conflict that combines fogging (agree) with cocky/funny by amplifying the thing you agree with to an absurd degree so as to make light of the accusation/conflict rather than getting upset by it.

  • "For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value ... As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!" Jewish converts were accusing the Gentiles of being ungodly because they would not get circumcized. Paul pressure flips and says, in essence, "If you're so hung up on circumcision, better go cut the whole thing off." A godly man is not easily angered; rather, he can maintain good humor in the midst of difficult situations.

Frame - Your best self as projected to those around you.

  • See Jesus any time the Pharisees try to challenge him. He does not cave to trick questions, but instead conveys the point he wants everyone else to hear, and while refusing to cave to the pressure of the pharisees he draws everyone else into seeing things from his perspective and being impressed by him, making himself the center of everyone's story rather than each person being caught up in their own life affairs.

I'm not sure how you see these concepts as "not separate from each other." Yes, one naturally helps the others, but they are completely distinct in themselves.

[–]AlphaBinomialDistrib0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Nice explanation

[–]SingularityOne198[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Thanks for the explanations.

I mean that they come together in that the higher one’s spiritual maturity, the more easily one will be able to abide by these principles.

[–]Praexology0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

How do you define spiritual maturity though? Methinks the skills above are not preceeded by spiritual maturity, but are indistinguishable from the parts we use to identify it.

You don't become more spiritually mature then learn to manage your temper because you're more mature. You become more spiritually mature because you've learned a hot temper has a high correlation to sin and are taking steps to make your flesh a slave to you, rather than the other way around.

[–]SingularityOne198[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I would agree with you that one becomes spiritually mature because you are working synergistically with the Holy Spirit to make the flesh a slave to you (self-mastery) - putting everything in subjection to Christ by acquiring the Holy Spirit... temperance, continence and chastity, non-possession band almsgiving, spiritual mourning, compunction, and joy, gentleness, patience, self-control, the fear of God, humility, peace, love, etc.

So, in essence, I agree with you here.

[–]Praexology0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

In essence.

I'll take that.

[–]Red-Curious0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

In addition to what /u/Praexology said, the way you explain how "they come together" is really, really broad. It's like saying that (1) having a stable prayer life, and (2) memorizing tons of Scripture are basically "not separate from each other per-se" because "the higher one's spiritual maturity, the more easily one will be able to" do these things regularly.

The fact is, they're very difference concepts. You can be great at one and awful at the other - even among "spiritually mature" people.

[–]SingularityOne198[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

They are different concepts, sure. But, after reading what you posted it really seems that they all come together in embodying love, joy, and peace alongside trusting in the Providence of God. However, there’s some discernment mixed in there too. For example, someone who lacks spiritual joy and peace would have a harder time with AM and A&A, and a person with less faith would have a harder time with OI. Frame seems to be more about humility and realizing where one is, however, ever striving towards acquiring God’s frame through repentance and prayer.



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