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What is wrong with feminism?

The_Mermaid

February 22, 2013
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Title What is wrong with feminism?
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The_Mermaid

Upvotes 10
Comments 28
Date February 22, 2013 2:17 AM UTC
(13 years ago)
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[–]roe_ 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Assuming the missing word is "think."

We're a big tent, feminism is a big tent. So we make a lot of unfair generalizations about what feminists believe, and feminists make a lot of unfair generalizations about what we believe.

But, the common complaints are:

-that parts of feminist theory is a thinly-veiled power-grab

-that feminists want access to the freedoms and achievements that used to be exclusive to males, but don't want to be exposed to the risks or responsibilities entailed

-there are many concerns with the effect that feminism has had on the institute of marriage - there's almost too much here to unpack

-many men are angry that they've been told all their lives - by women - to be "nice guys," suffered years of failure in the dating market, to eventually discover that being a jerk or a "bad boy" was a much more successful strategy - again, there's a lot here to unpack

-some feminists promote a wrong-headed notion of gender - then men and women are the same and that gender is a social construct - there is good evidence that men and women are different in important and deep ways

-most of us resent the feminist concepts of "male privilege" and "rape culture"

That's a pretty broad overview, and I probably left tons of stuff out.

For more, check out talks or books by Roy Baumeister, Warren Farrell, Girl Writes What - all good stuff about what's gone wrong between men and women nowadays.

[–]The_Mermaid -3 points-2 points-1 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Feminism isn't about a power grab, it's about having all the same rights as men, as well as the same social respect.

In regards to the idea that men and women are different, that is true, for most people. But gender roles shouldn't be forced on people. And the world is more than male/female. There are transgendered people, binary gendered, non gendered, etc. We can't tell people, "You are a male/female, so you must act in this way".

And male privilege and rape culture are very real things.

[–]TheIslander829 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

it's about having all the same rights as men,

You had them before feminism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t0O-iV8KBI

[–]logicalmisologist 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

I can hardly read that sentence.

[–]The_Mermaid 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry about that, I forgot a word. Fixed it now :)

[–][deleted] 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]The_Mermaid 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Did you just say "mandatory sex"? How does that work?

[–]TheIslander829 -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

Wow.. where to start...

It ruined the nuclear family. Prior to the feminist revolution, men and women had set roles in society, now men have no real role since they've been replaced by the government. Everything that a husband used to be the main provider of, now the government provides if the woman wants to be a single mother.

It ruined marriage as an institution, which directly ruined the subsequent generation of men and women raised outside of a nuclear family. Women honoring and respecting their husbands is now a thing of the past. Getting divorced is now more common than remaining married.

Each generation that came after the feminist revolution spawned more masculinized and less feminine women. How is this good? How is being more like a man good? WTF are women thinking?

It spawned today's generation of sluts that are unsuitable for marriage or raising a family. Today's American woman wants to fuck around with 100 guys before settling for a provider husband in her late 20s early 30s. WTF?!? How is this right? Then after that, her most likely course of action is to pop out a couple of kids, then divorce him for half his money and keep full custody of the children.

Prior to the feminists coming around, women ALREADY had the right to vote, to higher education, and to work in whichever field they decided to specialize. All feminists did was fuck everything up. Every report or study I've seen clearly shows that women today are unhappier than they were in the 50s and 60s. I'll look a couple up if you're interested. Traditional gender roles are BIOLOGICAL, not imposed by society. If they were imposed by society, we wouldn't have found civilizations halfway across the world with the exact same gender roles we had in Europe in the middle ages and renaissance. Which were: men provide shelter and food, women rear the children and keep the home.

And the worst for last: since feminism told women they could fuck around, it skews the sexual marketplace in favor of Alpha guys that have sex with all the girls. The current situation is 20% of the guys having sex with 80% of the women. In the past, all men had to do was be a good man, have a stable job, and he'd be basically guaranteed a wife he could have sex with all his life. Now these nice men don't have sex until their 30s when the sluts get tired of fucking around and are looking for a provider husband to rear the cost of her children. I hate feminists for this. I hate that I had to learn game to have sex. I'm great at game and have had 21 different girls over the past few years, but still I hate doing this to have sex because I know I'll never have a 100% stable girl I can settle down with. I hate that I can't have a wife and children without the fear of her taking all my money and my children away from me (which is the most likely scenario, I remind you).

Feminism has nothing to do with women's rights, it's only there for female advancement. It's there to screw men over and treat them as disposable.

[–]The_Mermaid 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

I don't like the idea of the traditional nuclear family. I don't want to be told what my role in society is. And I certainly will NEVER "honor and respect" a husband.

In response to your point about women being less feminine because of feminism, please explain what you mean by feminine. It means different things to different people, and I can't really respond without knowing what you meant to say.

I am happy living in today's society, in 2013. I don't think I would have been happy in the 1950s, being expected to conform to those social norms.

For the last statement, why should women not be allowed to have sex with as many men as they want, provided all the men are consenting adults? That is an individual decision. Also, why do you call women "sluts", but you don't seem to have a problem with guys sleeping with many different women?

[–]TheIslander829 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I would have been happy in the 1950s

Stats say otherwise.

[–]The_Mermaid 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Stats only speak for the majority, if those stats are actually true. Still, they don't define every single person in the world. But when I think of the way women lived in the 1950s, I would have been miserable if I had to live that way.

[–]TheIslander829 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Stats only speak for the majority

Indeed. Thank you.

I would have been miserable if I had to live that way

You're the product of your environment. Without feminist brainwashing, you'd have been a perfectly happy woman in the 1950s, like most of them were.

[–]The_Mermaid 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's possible that if brainwashed into believing that being a submissive woman was good, I would have been happy in the 1950s. And I do believe young girls were brainwashed at that time, much more than they are now.

[–]TheIslander829 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

if brainwashed into believing that being a submissive woman was good

Hmm... Explain why Fifty Shades Of Grey sold so many copies.

[–]The_Mermaid 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I read the Fifty Shades of Grey books. They are very sexy books, it's like porn, but with words. I really enjoyed the books. It's a fantasy, though, I wouldn't live my life that way. Also, most people that do engage in that lifestyle, it's not a 24/7 thing. They usually just do their BSDM in the bedroom, and live their lives the regular way.

[–]TheIslander829 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

I don't like the idea of the traditional nuclear family.

Then how do you propose we endure society?

[–]The_Mermaid 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

There will still be plenty of people having children, humans are not going to go extinct, at least not because people aren't doing traditional family roles.

[–]TheIslander829 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

humans are not going to go extinct

I'm not talking about humanity. I'm talking about our society.

[–]The_Mermaid 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

By society, I assume you are talking about US society. There are 315 million Americans, and that number grows every year. Our country isn't at risk of falling apart because no one's having children.

[–]TheIslander829 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

We're on the borderline. Fertility rates are at 2.0 currently, and dropping.

[–]The_Mermaid 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Is that really a bad thing? A slight drop in fertility rates isn't going to mean the death of America. If we need to have a bunch of kids just to remain a powerful country, we are in deep trouble.

[–]TheIslander829 -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

If we need to have a bunch of kids just to remain a powerful country, we are in deep trouble.

We do, and we are.

[–]The_Mermaid 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't say America is in deep trouble. Are we still a superpower? No, but we are still a very powerful country. I think America will still continue to thrive. I don't see the correlation between having a bunch of kids, and being a great country. I don't see the world as being a competition of which country can make the most babies.

[–]TheIslander8291 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I don't see the correlation between having a bunch of kids, and being a great country.

It's the economy. We always need more young people to replace the old, and grow the economy. When economies don't grow, and grow correctly, people riot.

[–]The_Mermaid2 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Don't forget that there are millions of people that want to come to America from other countries. If we are having a population crisis, why is the US fighting immigration so much?

[–]TheIslander8291 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

We're not having a population crisis yet. Like I said, by the time you hear those words coming out of a news anchor's mouth, it'll be too late to do anything about it.

[–]The_Mermaid2 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

What I'm saying is, if a population crisis is looming, people need to stop complaining about immigration, and they need to start welcoming people into our country. There are people waiting YEARS to become Americans.

I would rather eliminate immigration barriers, and allow more people to move to America and become citizens, rather than beg people to have more kids.

[–]TheIslander8291 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I don't fully agree, but I understand. Makes sense.

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