How do you reconcile charity work and sacrificie with a red pill mentality?

MortalSisyphus · 2015-09-30T01:00:00+00:00

All human desires, impulses, and emotions evolved as different branches on the tree of survival. The empathetic instinct is an evolved emotion just as much as the murderous instinct; both serve their purpose in sustaining the species and the society.

When I say "purpose" in regards to evolution, that is obviously a loaded and imprecise word, since natural selection is an unconscious process.

You are looking for purpose and direction in life, you are seeking fulfillment. You will get a lot of different answers from a lot of different people. Ultimately it is entirely subjective, you have to find something that gives you purpose, or if not, lay down on the tracks. Personally, I would say that your incessant grasping for a change or a difference is itself a manifestation of your innate dissatisfaction with life. Stop living always in a mental future, slow down, try to be present and enjoy this moment.

Relying on external circumstances and events for your happiness is ultimately a losing game. Just ask any post-wall woman. No matter what level of success you reach, you are a mortal man who will age and die. I would argue that happiness is a mindset and an attitude, a pattern of thinking, and you need to cultivate it now, or you will never be happy no matter what you are doing. Learn to be happy now, because 1) ultimately now is all you have, 2) wherever you go, there you will be.

Rasalom72 · 2015-09-30T02:37:17+00:00

Dude, seriously, have you never seen the Dark Knight documentaries?

Bruce Wayne is alpha as fuck. Still, he gives all his money away and everything he does he does for the less fortunate.

inu51kza · 2015-09-30T01:57:54+00:00

You're wrestling with a tough existential question that doesn't have a clear answer.

To me, being cynical both frees me from falling into the trap of false hope and can doom me to embodying apathy too much. Especially with women, because I've been burnt by them, I now feel like a sociopath or something when I deal with them because I see the dynamics of the game of chess and its all so predictable. Not saying I've mastered the game at all, just that I see it as a game with predictable outcomes based on RP knowledge.

One of the healthiest mindsets and emotions we can have is gratitude. You need to somehow cultivate a gracious mindset and incorporate it into your life. At least it has helped me. The world doesn't owe us shit, we have to appreciate what we have but also not lose sight of the fact that it would be a WASTE not to improve ourselves and our reality...and the reality of those around us that deserve it.

barryberry · 2015-09-30T07:21:05+00:00

Being the best man you can be will add more value to the world compared to some charity work that will ultimately be useless in the grand scheme of things.

sir_wankalot_here · 2015-09-30T02:42:27+00:00

From a strictly TRP perspective (an amoral one) charity is done to increase ones prestige. It also is an indirect way of showing off one's wealth/power. It has little to do with actually helping people less fortunate.

einheit80 · 2015-09-30T13:06:53+00:00

My charity work is limited to those I feel truly need the support as opposed to those who make poor decisions. I'm the technical director for a veterans nonprofit. I can't lift them to their feet, but I give them the tools, knowledge and connections by which they can stand up on their own.

Cyralea · 2015-09-30T13:17:34+00:00

I'm assuming you mean charity that isn't meant to improve your social standing, which is a very valid, RP method of getting ahead. Charity only conflicts with RP ideas when it limits your ability to self-advance. Once you've reached a certain threshold you can be more generous with your time and disposable income without limiting yourself.

Personally speaking, I donate to charities that aid causes that are important to me. Men's causes, like homelessness and suicide. I volunteer my time here and with mentoring groups to help out disadvantaged men. Again, these sorts of things are only negative when they impede on your self-advancement, but once you've reached a certain precipice you no longer need to fully devote your time to yourself.

Start with yourself, then take care of others when you are in a better position to do so.

redadactyl · 2015-09-30T14:21:10+00:00

This is why I don't really donate my time or resources to human centered charities. I prefer local environmental groups that do beach clean ups and oyster bed restoration. Plus It brings me into contact with people that share my interests.

gettingoldernotwiser · 2015-09-30T01:23:14+00:00

why be charitable with money time or emotional support?

The way I see it, take care of yourself first - develop your body, mind, career etc. If you do it right, take your opportunities where you can and get a little bit of luck, there will come a time when you have most of what you need and want with some extra besides. I'm not just talking about money, either - I mean extra time, extra expertise, extra desire to help the community. Practically speaking, Red Pill is a sexual strategy, and doesn't have to impact the community at large; philosophically, bettering yourself to the point that you're beyond the subsisting phase lets you turn outwards, towards other people (men or women) and you're more able to give of yourself for their betterment, too.

jimjackjoe · 2015-09-30T02:50:05+00:00

The more I follow the mindset the more I struggle to be sympathetic.

This focus on self improvement seems to be messing with my ability to slate time for something that doesnt benefit me.

There's no reason to slate time for something that doesn't benefit you. Don't associate sympathy with devoting time to things that don't benefit you. Next time you see a bum, give him $20 or something--that's something that doesn't really benefit you and can be done without devoting much time to it. Just go through life being like that, helpin' those bums and losers out because if you were in their spot, you'd want some non-judgemental help yourself. If everyone were like that, individually, there would be no bums in the first place. Don't take me too literally here, you can do what i'm describing without giving money to bums.

now if you're depressed, that's another thing. in that situation, my advice is to get up every day, do the boring shit you describe, and wait it out. it will pass, simple as that.

"there's always another boring thing left to do," is something I like to say to myself, jokingly. when I finally finish all my boring things at work, I have to do something else boring, like laundry, or the dishes, or simply travelling through any sort of 3-dimensional space. like walking from the supermarket back to your car--that's boring.

I really think this is one big 3-dimensional world problem going on here, come to think of it. damn boring-assed physical space. the non-depressed have never been bored by physical space. that's a sweet as theory I just made up there, regardless of it's validity.

2015-09-30T03:23:34+00:00

I still help friends but I keep thinking why am I doing this I'm gaining nothing from it.

You're over analysing things way to deeply.

You should have friends because it's fun spending time with them man, it's not about what you can gain.

When I go to the bar with my friends, or hang out at the beach. I go because I'm going to shoot the shit and laugh my ass off for hours and forget about all that self improvement shit that worries me.

Then I come home and it's back to work, business and whatever else.

If you start taking your life too seriously and taking yourself to seriously, at what point do you start enjoying all these things you've worked for?

I know the game. I know how it'll play out. I not only know I'll get burned but I know the emasculating way it'll happen. but there's a devil may care streak there telling me to indulge it. I don't want to deep down improve the life of a girly naive smart but sweet ideal wife material girl. some instinct in me would rather have a crack at the middle class fuck up witha former eating disorder and daddy issues who's using me for emotional support and trading it for sex.

This entitlement mentality man. It's so fucked up that you don't even notice it.

You made a girl like you enough to stick your penis inside her, its the equivalent of putting a pencil into a sharpner, but you don't have to interact with the sharpner.

You didn't stop the devil from creating the apocolypse or do something mind blowing.

Instead of trying to find the dread in things, reverse it and try find something you enjoyed about it.

Example: I had sex with a cool chick and we had a great time. But she has her priorities in life and I have mine so we went our separate ways. In the end it was an awesome experience.

Instead of: I fucked this bitch, I'm going to break her before she cheats on me with chad thundercock and I'll abuse her just like her daddy who molested her when she was 5 years old did.

I mean what the fuck man?

Maybe take a break from game completely and just focus on being happy about yourself and with yourself.

If you stick to the whole self improvement thing. Do it to be a better person and to bring up the people around you. Stop looking at what you can "get" or who's cool enough to hang with you. That's fucking retarded.

yummyluckycharms · 2015-09-30T04:26:39+00:00

How does charity work conflict with red pill living?

Recognize that people are in different stages of life, have had different opportunities, and that often helping a guy doesnt mean it will come back to haunt you.

I volunteer at soup kitchens, mentor at risk youth, etc, and its something that I enjoy doing in my spare time. Men are often viewed as disposable by society, but that doesnt mean that viewpoint is right. Nor will doing any of these things compromise my red pill lifestyle - in fact - humility and remembering the vagaries of chance are instrumental in maintaining it. Does offering a kindly word to a friend in need really that detrimental to your life?

Now contrast that with other forms of charity - running for breast cancer, buying a chocolate bar from some kid for his school, etc. All of these are bad charities - either because most of the money isnt actually reaching those who need it the most or its reinforcing poor management (ex. school trustees pocketing money instead of using it properly).

2015-09-30T05:50:35+00:00

The thing is charity doesn't work. Sad to say but that's just human nature. Maybe it did at one point when communities were much more close knit and each individual situation was taken into consideration, by say, the local church. But now that it is institutionalized? Forget about it. There's 50 million people in the U.S. on food stamps, who have no qualms about it, and no incentive to get off of it.

A few years ago even Bono admitted that charity doesn't work. Tens of billions to Africa over decades, squandered by corruption. It comes down to the old "teach a man to fish" quote.

So in other words - I don't worry about it.

Rasalom72 · 2015-09-30T13:41:05+00:00

Personally, I can't help being disgusted by individuals who need charity. It's like they took on a completely female life style and removed themselves from all responsibility for the situation they are in. Horrible things happen. Some people rise above it, and some sink.

People don't go from 50k/ year to homeless overnight... shit happens and they didn't deal with it. You have a drug/ alchol/ gambling/porn/whatever problem? Tough shit, you did it to yourself. Own it and right the ship, or let it sink and go down with it.

Fuck these people and their bullshit BP WHY-DO-BAD-THINGS-KEEP-HAPPENING-TO-ME victim mentality. The world doesn't owe you or anyone else any more or less then what you are willing to work for. It's like these fucks on TV bitching that the minimum wage isn't $15 an hour. Don't like it? STOP WORKING FOR MINIMUM WAGE!

"But Rasalom72, I can't support my five kids on minimum wage because I got knocked up in highschool and didn't go to university (not that I was planning to or could afford to go anyways)."

Fuck those people. Get two jobs. Don't have five kids. Stop being worthless. Try creating something instead of living off they system.

Walkebe · 2015-09-30T13:53:19+00:00

Being "charitable" in my opinion, is an important concept. However, I personally rarely contribute money to causes. I pursue "charitable concepts" that coincide with my world views by getting involved in leadership positions in charitable organizations and on community non profit boards. I then use my influence and position to pursue a charitable agenda that I subjectively feel is morally needed.

As an example, I feel that women's issues are grossly over represented in the charitable arena and men's issues are neglected. So in my position on the charitable boards, I try to steer policy away from charity towards woman (breast cancer 5ks and CASDA) towards issues that are sorely needed by men or men tend to benefit greatly from such as veteran's charitable causes. In my view, there are a lot of men out there that the non profit/charitable system has failed or not addressed their needs and issues.

NeoreactionSafe · 2015-09-30T15:35:56+00:00

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I'm very lost jaded ... I don't think depressed but unmotivated and tired.

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Red Pill is only your first step towards full enlightenment.

Let me describe the situation...

You begin as a beta who was emotionally indoctrinated by the Western ideological mindset. This mindset enforces two rules into your unconscious:

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The first rule is the Feminine Imperative that gives all power to women and reduces the male to slave status. (provider)

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The second rule is that you are an insolated individual who lives to indulge your feelngs.

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It's the second rule that you are now questioning.

The answer requires you to go backwards in time to before the Matrix (Western emotional indoctrination) when people existed as part of a natural hierarchy. The natural hierarchy would develop as part of being in a tribe or family. Your connection and meaning was defined by being part of something you were biologically related to, so your actions would be focused on kin enhancing behaviors.

But in the Feminine Imperative they have completely distorted this kin altruism by expanding into the absurd. One now imagines altruism as a perverted universal altruism or as others have called it "pathological altruism". That type of altruism is best seen as a sickness. (it's primary value is "status signalling" within the progressives... as we say "White Knighting")

So the answer is to reconnect with biology. If you are to be altruistic at all be a great father or uncle or help your parents from time to time. Maybe help a friend who you choose because he is near your kin. These all make sense.

If you are of European ancestry (10% of world population) you might support people opposed to "the Great Replacement" where brown people are being imported into countries in the attempt to eradicate the "white exception".

So there are plenty of things to get passionate about... find your inner animal.

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EvilPenName · 2015-09-30T16:32:41+00:00

I would probably shy away from just giving cash away unless your success is high enough.

Things like going out and cleaning up a park or something could have benefits to you though. New contacts that could open doors that you didnt know existed or even just relieve stress in another way.

2015-09-30T17:26:03+00:00

Do whatever you want. The trick is whether or not you expect anything in return. If you are nice to a chick or friend or charity or whatever, they benefit and that's great. It's just when you expect a return on your investment it's not really altruistic. Learn to distinguish and detach yourself from expectation of return of investment. And yes, do gooder feelz is a form of return.

Momo_dollar · 2015-10-01T03:13:49+00:00

Some people working for charities do it for purely selfish reasons. I was abroad once with someone I have known a long time and can read very well. Little kid around 3-5 comes running past me crying and is about to run into the road so I turn back and stop him. My 'friend' was like what you doing hurry up, basically he just wanted to carry on walking. I'm thinking fuck you, and just wondering why the kid was crying and running around alone.

So anyways I pick the kid up and carry him across the road and put him down to continue on wherever life would take him. As I'm crossing the road my friend is looking all frustrated and annoyed but then I notice his eyes catch something and a change. The first thing he said to me " that girl saw what you did was smiling at you" I was like "what girl and who gives a feck".

Nowadays he works in charity makes a bid deal of letting everyone know, typical humblebrag kinda guy, previously his " persona" was being rich and having nice things he used to put on a fake posh accent back in school, money is his dad's who is basically middle class income in working class area.

2015-10-01T04:09:17+00:00

There isn't a conflict, you can do with your time as you will.

inu51kza · 2015-09-30T00:46:08+00:00

Try reading The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand. It helped me with the selfishness vs altruism debate.

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