I and my fellow red piller are out and about in London trying to find some good venues to meet women again, with our new philosophy and reinstated game. We are both 25.

We often go to clubs. Clubs being places that have a reasonably big dance floor. However I do talk to girls there, and so does he, but recently, for the past year, Ive actually got more numbers, and met MORE girls on the bus home, and in fact even in a takeaway shop grabbing a late night munch.

My friend is of the opinion clubs are great as they are a melting pot of people getting drunk and fucked and dancing on the dancefloor. I honestly am sick to death of them. They are too loud, too full of clowns moving about dancing, and ultimately, the dancefloor works for some, but for me, I cant game on a dancefloor at all.

So I posed a question to instead do bars. Not talking champagne bars, but pubs and bars, where you go just to drink and talk. Everytime ive been to bars its easier to talk to women, and easier to flirt and easier to close. As there is no dancefloor for them to escape to, and women are infact higher value in bars, because they dont need to go and dance to show "How sexy they are."

Question is, what do other red pillers think? Its not that I cant get girls, I get numbers on buses, restaurants, facebook, you name it.

But clubs v bars, what do you think?