Noticing a trend in the blue2red conversion process many men seem to suffer from.

Skayruss · 2017-04-04T20:30:54+00:00

It's not so much as women. Men project.

If you read No More Mr. Nice Guy, as well as being red pill aware, you learn that the issue is indeed yourself, or it might even be your upbringing

I'm going to take this time to post, because it helps me vent and helps show others here have the same problem.

I grew up with a classic codependent mother who blameshifted everything onto me, I took care of her at her worst, and that led to no boundaries and no validation. I believe that's even where my OCD developed, strong anxiety from lack of being paid attention to nor being validated.

My father is effeminate. Damaged goods. I'm ashamed of him. I'm angry at both of my parents. I was raised by my mother, and I had a weak beta father who also had boundary issues and is a "Nice Guy." When I was little, I had natural alpha tendencies. I liked to lead, I always assumed leadership in everything we did. I was aggressive, fucks sake I used to beat up kids on the playground and I headlocked a kid in preschool.

My mother put an end to any and all of my outbursts, and I never learned boundaries nor how to stand up for myself, which led to me becoming antisocial. It led to be becoming passive. I'm undergoing a massive paradigm shift and I seek mentorship and brotherhood.

I'm sick of being around females because they don't think like we do nor do they have my interests in mind.

I'm embracing TRP in its entirety as my new lens in life, and I'm realizing everything I was ever told or learned from society was a lie. Love is conditional, and only unconditional love is from our mothers. Even then that's still a condition.

This anger, at myself, at my upbringing, this depression and this WANT to change, this is the true bitterness of the pill. And it's not just me. There are other men who are in this situation as well. Having their natural masculinity repressed, being raised without a strong masculine father. This is why a lot of us willingly take the pill.

Thanks for fuckin' reading.

grubek · 2017-04-05T04:34:42+00:00

Do you realize you are judging women under masculine values?

You are 100% correct when you say that men are superior to women at being men. The issue is women are not men, nor is it productive to judge women under a man lens (which ironically is what feminism promotes).

Women are 100% better than men at being women though. But you, as a man, have a natural rejection of feminine qualities, and so you project and assume your values, the values under which you judge yourself as a man, are the universal values. But they are not, they are just masculine values, and women will never excel at them.

And if you think masculine values are on itself superior to feminine values, you have an ego to check. We all have our mission in the evolutionary puzzle, the moment you think you are the superior force is the moment your decadence begins.

WhiskeyIsANootropic · 2017-04-04T20:08:36+00:00

It's a recurring theme in our society. Consider the reaction of Hillary supporters to Trump's victory or the reaction of Scottish nationalists to the No vote - they took it personally.

The EU referendum really brought it out here. A good friend of mine went completely off the deep end at me after the result despite the fact we were effectively on the same side because i didn't share his rage, his fear or his indignation.

They don't know how to play the game. Hell they don't know they are playing the game. They take it personally.

For a man, all life is "business" from res publica to family (perhaps family most of all). You cannot take anything personal in business.

Or put it this way, if a prize fighter lasts only thirty seconds in the ring was it his opponent's fault or his own?

redpill-account · 2017-04-05T00:52:09+00:00

I agree with parts of this comment but I think there is an error in both your post and a genteel attitude towards women here.

It's not the men and per say better then women, however it's a more apples and oranges comparison as opposed to this "we are all equal BS".

Life is yin and yang. Male and female. It's just those energies are different. We are told there is only 1 shade of gray, as opposed to dynamics who work when it balance and proportion .

A lot of guys, Myself included, aren't in touch with their balance, which attracts low quality or 0 women. Part of being a man is razing masculinity includes responsibility and leadership and strength

This notion that there are 0 good women out there is honesty pretty ridiculous and super naive. I kind of understand where are coming from as there are a lot of entitoled bitches out there, but I've meet plenty of people in real life who are happy wit their wives and I know enough high quality women in my life where I can recognize some statement like all women are worse than men is the equivalent of some man hating 3rd wave feminist.

In summary, part of true masculine energy is keeping the feminine energy "grounded", like the thesis of your post, a big issue is that guys don't do s good enough job with their frame, which results in a natural unbalance which leads to inevitable issues

miharuhojo · 2017-04-04T21:54:45+00:00

Women lie. They don't have to

The--Welshman · 2017-04-05T00:51:13+00:00

"Women and children can afford to be careless." Vito Corleoni said something along those lines I recall. I know, I know, hurr durr no references to fiction, but the quote holds true: women are children. That's why most languages terms of endearment for women are diminutive.

raisins3142 · 2017-04-05T01:35:33+00:00

It's the anger phase.

I was mad (and still am a bit) that I was lied to by society and people in my life, AND I believed the lie and didn't believe my "lying eyes". So, I was mad at myself primarily for being a dumb ass.

I'm also mad at women in my past that were particularly bad about these things. If I can't be mad at an individual woman for these things, well then I can't get mad at anyone for anything (gets into a whole free will vs will vs determinism thing).

bleed_red_white_blue · 2017-04-05T17:26:02+00:00

It's true. I've been guilty of complaining about females at times.

I usually catch myself if I begin to dwell on it, though. Shit doesn't really matter at the end of the day can't let it get you down or you're no better than the feminazis and liberals that have a constant victim complex.

trevortackyl · 2017-04-05T08:10:41+00:00

I completely agree with you, the best woman cannot be as great as the best man. But they can still provide aid to us. It's like men are steak and women are the marinade. They can do great things for us, but them alone are nothing without us.

LiveFreeorDieMAGA · 2017-04-05T09:32:51+00:00

I wouldn't say this is new knowledge. Perhaps unknown to some, but not all. Strong emotional reactions are typical a basis for life changes. For example, Near death experience, Psychedelics, Religious experience or awakening.

Personally, I can trace my jump to TRP, liberal to staunch conservative, and becoming a Christian, all from the girl that sparked my TRP "conversion."

grewapair · 2017-04-05T06:27:47+00:00

The problem is us, not them.

If my dad treated me like a special snowflake, and my teenage and twenty something girlfriends appeared willing to do anything, no matter how stupid, to get into my pants, it would fuck with my head.

If lying and cheating got me ahead, because everyone believed I was incapable of lying or cheating, I'd do it too.

When that stops, which it basically never will, they'll turn out differently. Until then, blame men, not women.

Insydeinformation · 2017-04-05T15:26:41+00:00

Betas get angry at women for fucking them over, alphas get angry at betas for fucking up women by acting so pathetic.

There is no way to change a natural beta into a natural alpha, its congenital.

zephyrprime · 2017-04-05T15:59:01+00:00

I really recommend you remove the first part of your post or just separate it into two separate posts. The first section just detracts and from the second.

Anyway, yeah you're right. We are all brought up upon the moral principles of "equality" but the problem is it's actually a lie. Women are not the equal of men. They are meant to be subordinate and they lack the abilities and also the compassion to lead. Also, equality in general is a lie. Some people are better than other people. And even though men in general are superior to women, there are quite a few men who are inferior to women.

This is a very hard pill to swallow. It totally flies in the face of one of the fundamental moral precepts we are all indoctrinated in in Western Civilization. Grappling with this idea in one's mind is no small task. It is a terrifying realization for the newly awoken. Challenging this idea isn't just a simple matter merely overturning a mundane point but rather a revolution upsetting an entire firmament of morality upon which modern civilization is built.

I remember a decade ago when I first faced such ideas. I was utterly revulsed by the true nature of women. They simply weren't what I wanted. I wanted that equal as great as myself that I was promised. Those promises were all lies and fairy tales.

ideal_lemon · 2017-04-05T08:43:15+00:00

the thing is, pain is why we WANT to change, pain is how we got here in TRP for the most part. so we have to embrace it.

most of us grown up in a feminized society, so all the value systems are engraved in us and it feels like we are losing a part of ourselves when we want to change.

either way, we have to trust in the pain in our lives and allow it to change us.

Title	Noticing a trend in the blue2red conversion process many men seem to suffer from.
Author	Macheako
Upvotes	39
Comments	51
Date	April 4, 2017 7:46 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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