I've been rummaging around through reddit/google statistics today to try to pin down the growth of things like MGTOW, Red/Blue pill, and Men's rights. The results are interesting, but not surprising. The general trends of subreddits indicate that #MeToo and #Time'sUp have promoted the most growth of these types of subreddits, and the 2016 presidential election led to a temporary shrinkage, particularly in December of 2015. Search queries on google were not noticeably affected by #MeToo and #Time'sUp. I've also found that in terms of search results, the most feminist countries (Finland, USA, Australia, etc.) have the highest likelihood to pursue these search terms.
Note: Reddit stats begin in late 2012 and end in early March 2018, Google stats begin in Jan 1st 2004 and continue to the present day.
Men's rights:
As a search topic Men's Rights hasn't changed much in terms of popularity. The 8 countries where the search term is most popular are, from most popular to least: Finland, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, The USA, Ireland, Sweden, Norway.
r/MensRights has been growing at a nearly linear rate since 2013, gaining roughly 20k subscribers each year.
Red Pill Ideology:
As a search topic Red/Blue pill ideology has seen a substantial increase in search queries, with the trend line being an upwards curve. This topic is more popular as a search term, and thus the list of notable countries is longer. However, for consistency, I will only list the top 8. The top 8 in order are: The USA, Canada, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, Ireland, Singapore, The UK.
r/TheRedPill went from 500 to 30,000 subs during 2013 and went from 30,000 to 90,000 during 2014. 2015-2017 averaging at about 50k new subscribers per year. 2017 was their largest year of growth since 2014, seeing in 60k subscribers.
r/RedPillWomen has seen a steady growth of 3k subscribers per year, with 2017 seeing in 5.5k subscribers.
MGTOW:
As a search topic, MGTOW has seen a marked growth in interest that I would classify as exponential. While not as popular of a topic as The Red Pill, MGTOW has seen a much more drastic growth period in the last few years. The top 8 countries are: Canada, Australia, Finland, The USA, New Zealand, Ireland, Estonia, Slovenia.
r/MGTOW has seen exponential growth as well. It's the only subreddit of the three I looked at where the subscriber growth consistently increases at a noticeable rate. The subscriber count of r/MGTOW has at minimum *doubled* every year since 2013.
Hypergamy (google only):
For those of you unfamilliar with the term, Wikipedia defines hypergamy as "a term used in social science for the act or practice of a woman marrying a man of higher caste or social status than themselves." A more common phrase for it is "marrying up." As a topic, the interest in hypergamy has been seeing a rise similar to Red/Blue Pill. The top 8 countries are: Sweden, Canada, Australia, Singapore, The USA, New Zealand, Ireland, Finland.
From the data I've seen so far it's reasonable to say that statistically, Feminism actively drives men away. This is evidenced by the fact that the more feminist a country is, the more interested the citizens of a country are to look for anti-feminist media. This is by no means a formal study, but I find it quite interesting. Thoughts?
Easy links to all the data:
http://redditmetrics.com/r/MGTOW
http://redditmetrics.com/r/TheRedPill
http://redditmetrics.com/r/RedPillWomen
http://redditmetrics.com/r/MensRights
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=%2Fm%2F01_g0t&date=all (Men's rights)
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=%2Fg%2F11bxfgrdjm&date=all (MGTOW)
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=%2Fm%2F06bgmg&date=all (Red Pill)
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=%2Fm%2F09ls_y&date=all (Hypergamy)
[–]Docbear6412 points13 points14 points (1 child) | Copy Link
At the core of it it's the only thing that makes sense. So many other mens groups are basically desperate appeals to get women to behave. " Please ladies understand and appreciate the damage you are doing to us men and boys " .... but how long do you grovel , how long do you beg , how many appeals and attempted compromises can you offer before you realize " They can't be reasoned with " and if you reach that point of realization it's obvious the best way to protect yourself is to go your own way .
I am honestly shocked how many men refuse to give up on women I get that their are huge biological and social repercussions to this but you would almost think that by telling men to avoid women you were telling them to drink poison . The Why is what I don't understand.
To me it strongly resembles that whole concept of raising a baby elephant with a chain around it's leg only to later replace it with a rope so it grows to believe it isn't stronger than the thing restricting its movement. If you stifle , restrain, beatdown , and tell a man that he can't exist without women for long enough maybe they grow into believing that it is truly an impossibility.
[–]DWShimoda1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
That they don't give a shit about you.
At all... you're just a resource, an ATM to be drained dry, exploited, etc.
[–]ParalyticPoison6 points7 points8 points (7 children) | Copy Link
There is really no other option that is sustainable. Red Pill ideology (which from what I have seen is just another form of PUA) still looks for women's validation. Men's Rights does not work when the majority of voters are women and they are mostly ran by women at this point, hilariously ironically.
MGTOW is the only way to stop these issues from continuing in the short-term and the long-term, compared to the other anti-feminist "movements".
[–]YerLocalDeadBodyMan2 points3 points4 points (5 children) | Copy Link
Yet MGTOW lacks a clear call to action to reverse gynocentrism. It's cool to go our own way & ignore it, but it doesn't accomplish anything significant for future generations, either. That's the dilemma.
[–]irrelevantmoniker4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Reverse? dude we are past the tipping point. the event horizon whipped by with girls hanging their asses out the side of the car to take selfies with it a while back. There is no point grabbing the steering wheel when you've already hurtled out into the ravine. You might as well just enjoy the view at this point.
Western civilization is doomed, you might as well enjoy the decadent unravelling of a once great society.
[–]ParalyticPoison1 point2 points3 points (3 children) | Copy Link
You can't reverse gynocentrism, it's an animal instinct. The thing that has to be reversed or "fixed" is giving those that don't take responsibility or accountability in our societies (women) the right to vote on decisions that effect those who make that society function.
Personally, I am going to avoid women for the rest of my days, even if things went back to "normal" again. After learning about female nature and how women are basically children in adult sized bodies, I don't want to have anything to do with them anymore.
With this in mind, I think the best solution that would not involve other more patriarchal societies takes ours over and bringing us many decades back into the past in terms of technology and innovation. This would be the development of technologies like the artificial womb, which would, in theory, allow men to have children and reproduce without having to take the huge risk of cohabitation with a woman and possibly being divorce raped and fucked by the gynocentric court system.
Who knows if we will develop this technology before western society is completely taken over, I personally hope we do, but I also don't have any expectations that we will or with how much force will be pushed against the development of these technologies for obvious reasons. I think this is honestly more likely to happen in the short term than any voting rights laws being changed, so this is the main solution I see as having any chance of changing things at the societal level.
[–]YerLocalDeadBodyMan2 points3 points4 points (2 children) | Copy Link
I agree with you. I lost hope a long time ago, tbh. This 💩show will never change for the better or return to normalcy. This is it. Takeover by a more patriarchal society is inevitable. What's happening in EU countries are a prime example of this. Whether we go our own ways or not, we're truly fucked.
[–]ParalyticPoison2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I say just enjoy it while you can. Don't make your short time on this planet worse by worrying about things that won't effect you once you a dead. I would love to leave a better future for the small part of the population that deserves a brighter future, but I am not going to sacrifice my PRESENT for something that may be fruitless and destroyed by those who hate and wish to destroy what I believe.
Sometimes black-pill can be comforting, but don't go so deep that you become hopeless and depressed, just look at it in terms of the present reality, enjoy the good times and try to avoid the bad, and at the very least learn and grow from the bad to make it good later on.
[–]shit-zen-giggles[S] 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
spain endured 800 years of muslim occupation during the dark ages...
... it's not like it's unprecedented.
[–]shit-zen-giggles[S] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
my thoughts exactly, when I first stumbled across this sub and the related content
[–]theoracleofosiris2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Mgtow realises that the only thing you have control over are your actions and responses in the gynocentric madness that is today’s society.
Men’s rights, TRP, tradcons all require women to respond appropriately before things become better for men which is not a given.
Mgtow allows men to respond directly, quickly and decisively, independent from women’s response. It is the surest and most consistent way to Male emancipation because it removes the variable of female response.
Men being the surplus producers that we are, once freed from the shackles of supporting women the net consumers that they are, will come to see what little effort is required for us to achieve and maintain a prosperous and harmonious lifestyle.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Once MGTOW becomes mainstream we have to expose the Chameleons who will inevitably try to suck us back into the blue pill.
[–]shit-zen-giggles[S] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
already happening. TFM recently had a piece about a self-acclaimend "red-pill moderate". It was hillarious to say the least.
[–]Atton_Risk0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
The present growth will look trivial considering the sheer level of legal abuse that will grow MGTOW.