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MGTOWs and MRAs Now Subscibe to #believethewoman?

Mens-Advocate

November 12, 2018

8 upvotes

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So, these pitiful geldings rush to believe and defend Carlson's daughter without even the text of the private club report which would let us know whether there is any indication of whether or not she told the truth:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/9w43w7/tucker_carlsons_son_acts_the_white_knight/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/9w6m9y/mras_remain_white_knights/e9i5rt7/

Edit: It's been reported the daughter is nineteen years old. That's an adult, not a girl. She should be fighting her own battles, not running to papa or brother to have them physically "confront" her enemies.

How come "women are so powerful" and at the same time an adult woman not powerful enough to handle her own matters, but must resort to having a male family member criminally assault a fellow whose words she dislikes?

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Title	MGTOWs and MRAs Now Subscibe to #believethewoman?
Author	Mens-Advocate
Upvotes	8
Comments	22
Date	November 12, 2018 12:58 AM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/9w9ayt/mgtows_and_mras_now_subscibe_to_believethewoman/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MGTOW/mgtows-and-mras-now-subscibe-to-believethewoman.460816 https://theredarchive.com/post/460816

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[–]DangZagnut10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]NotMyWomen4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]Sir_manalot3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Mens-Advocate[S] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

We’ve known for years “Men’s Rights Advocates” are overweight beta cucks desperately trying to get themselves laid; I’ve made multiple posts illustrating this.

You may be right. MRAs certainly do seem to sometimes choose self-defeating attitudes.

As an MRA, I've argued (generally fruitlessly) to MRAs that:

All men's philosophies and groups (MRA, MGTOW, TRP, PUA, Fathers' Rights, incels) are red-pilled, "woke" men who should be brothers rather than enemies.
Each such group has an absolute right in individual lives to choose whatever works for them to attempt to live happily in a gynocentric world.
The groups should help and support each other, short of supporting feminism as MR seems disposed to do (as in this Carlson issue).

To summarise why I see all these groups as brothers (or should-be brothers):

All recognise and are responding to the problem of society's gynocentrism.
Each individual decides upon (and has a right to decide upon) his own individual solution.
As all of these solutions are reasonable, each should be respected and supported rather than treated with contempt.
MRAs think the proportion of reasonable women moderate (say, >20%) and so continue to seek relationships; we're looking for one of a few dozen needles in a haystack.
MGTOWs think the proportion of reasonable women minuscule (say, <5%) and so wisely dismiss the wasted effort of looking for a single needle in a haystack. (Worse, even if one finds the needle, one is forever after legally subject to her whim.)
TRPs think getting rich and ripped may alter the gender power balance in their favour. Good luck to them. They've every right to attempt self-improvement. (But, if she comes to you because you're rich and ripped, what happens if you get sick or lose your money?)
PUAs treat sexuality as an itch to be scratched consensually. They've a right to do so. And most are nice fellows who are consensual players, not bad characters like Roosh. There is no more justification for shaming PUAs for promiscuity than for "slut-shaming" women for promiscuity.
Divorced fathers deserve full support for their battles against the matriarchy.
Incels deserve not contempt but brotherly love and help to achieve their goals (whether that be a consensual relationship with a woman, or to feel more comfortable in celibacy).

[–]RooR_161 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

[–]Sir_manalot2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]RooR_160 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]Sir_manalot1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Nobody is owed respect, it is earned.

While I do not believe he shouldn't have been as aggressive as he was, you need to learn to not let it get too and stand firm. It will make people respect you far more then crying foul like this.

I am hated on all the time for my views. In the last month, I have been called a tradcuck, sjw, cuck, incel, commie, libtard, told to kill myself multiple times, a man child, etc.

None of them are true and they do not stop

It is just the way it is and if you want to succesfully stand up against feminism, you are going to need much thicker skin then this.

Take Jordan Peterson as an example, I may disagree with him on many things but he knows how to handle the shame, insults and rage well (which is why he is respected).

You need to be prepared to be hated no matter how factual and truthful your words are.

[–]RooR_160 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]RooR_160 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

[–]Mens-Advocate[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]RooR_160 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]Mens-Advocate[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

You're wasting our time and yours. So, this is the last time I'll address your drivel, point by point:

As I informed you and you ignored, comments on one sub-reddit may be the subject of comments anywhere else on the entire net. You have no right whatsoever to want to restrict comments to a single board, especially in an area such as gender relations of interest to many stripes.
Learn to read. I didn't say you were MRA. I said MGTOWs have a right to know of incidents supporting their contention MRAs engage in too much white-knighting.
As I said before and say again, you have no right to restrict the discussion to a single thread, board, sub-reddit, country, or anywhere other than the entire net. I have no obligation whatsoever to respond to you on the same board. Cross-discussion occurs millions of times daily everywhere on the net.
"Do this"? You sound like a weakling who is unable to hold his own in debate on the substantive issues and whines when defeated. Did I hurt widdle boy's feewings? Do you sub-consciously want a real man to white-knight for you?
You are indeed tone policing. If you look to the right, you'll see it's discouraged.

You seem to post often enough on MGTOW for me to wonder why you object to a discussion being raised on either board. Or, if you criticise an MRA (myself) crossing over to open the discussion to MGTOWs, then why do you yourself cross over to the MRA board? (For the record, I think all of the manosphere should engage in discussion rather than concentrating in separate hives.)

On the substance, allowing a man to get away with criminal violence against another man, because a female (in the family or not) claims to have been insulted, is a form of vigilantism extremely harmful to society in general and to men in particular. (Or do you approve of Alfredo forced to fight a duel to the death for having insulted Violetta? Or men destroyed for having offended a woman? Do you really subscribe to such gynocratic ideals?)

Finally, if you're so thin-skinned, you should stay off the net.

[–]RooR_160 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]project_mayhem_0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In other news I actually agree with your reasoning about not wanting to get hit over words.

I can appreciate that. you did say it wasn't white knighting to throw a drink after alleged mean words and girl tears.

perhaps you now appreciate where I draw the distinction and yet would stand by your claim that it wasn't white knighting. (in which case, fuck you) or perhaps my reasoning has elucidated for you the distinction I am drawing and you see the error of considering irrelevant factors. (drink in the face doesn't really hurt, was his sister, etc.)

you have not indicated which with sufficient specificity for me to continue this discussion on more than speculative grounds.

either way, I do appreciate your acknowledgement that other men should not hit me because I say things women don't like.

I still don't object to op's behavior, despite your negative characterizations. linking your comment is an available feature on this site. you knew (or reasonably should have known) that before you posted. you are therefore responsible for it.

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