Ok here it is guys. First, I like to think this sub has people of certain moral integrity - that means no fuckin snakes, cheaters, people that talk behind back and generally evil people. I am addressing you!
I respect the idea that this sub promotes, because I think we can't win this "war" without huge, crucial, societal changes (and unfortunately, we are minority by huge margin), so our winning move (for our generation) is not to participate.
Downside: we can't have kids. That's huge downside, but that's just reality. Perhaps a surrogate? Haven't given that much thought, but maybe I will.
Upside: none
I'm highly educated straight A student, height: 6' with 8-pack and a decent face. I absolutely believe in moral integrity and act accordingly, since I was a kid. I had better moral values at age 13 than most people will ever have. That also means I don't tolerate bullshit, cheating, and pieces of shit / low quality people. I try to avoid drama and fights, but if you insist on it and put me in a corner, you better be ready to fight. That being said, I am extremely physically fit and I like to settle things down like a human being, rather than like an animal (but if that's your wish, we can arrange it - I won't back down)
Ok so I know that women like money, so I'll just mention it - I have like 100-200 (depending on how we value this) monthly average wages in cash and assets. Atleast ~130-140 of them are in liquid cash. That means I can take 5 years long vacation without doing anything and I would be fine. Got a house, and a flat in another place, and couple of cars. I still use a bicycle cause I hate cars.
I was involved with snakes that I never cared about until my last gf, with whom I had long term relationship (2.5 years). I know what you're thinking - "that's a mistake", you say, but I would never even dream of being in a longterm relationship if she didn't have good qualities. This girl cooked, cleaned, took care of me and my place, had amazing sex and I thought we were friends. She wasn't even in it for the money - she bought me a lot of things (had way less than me!). She was really hot, like 5'9 with great tits, cute face, and good ass, she was in shape.
But! She cheated on me, out of nowhere. Seriously, she bought me stuff, paid for vacations, cooked, cleaned, yadda yadda, and then she cheated on me.
The same minute I found out, I broke up with her on the spot, told her we are done and that's it. This was some time ago - I had to block her many phone numbers cause she was like "I will never find half a man like you, I will suicide, please, if you want we can marry tomorrow, I will give you children immediately, please, this, that, please, you can fuck me whenever you like, I am yours"
I swear, I was really surprised about some things "I will say yes tomorrow" "I will give you children". She formulated the sentences just like that. Like she would be doing me a favor.
The guy that she cheated on me was a beta orbiter that cried after she broke it off with him. He looked like a bum of the streets, seriously.. not even kidding. I am not even hurt or something, just glad I found out before kids (and maybe marriage, because I considered it too)
I felt bad for her that she reached that level in her life. Truly amazing. This girl had practically everything she need and she still did that :)
I leave up to you whether you think AWALT.
Now, I believe really that AWALT, even though at some point I thought maybe there's a chance that I am wrong. Because I think I had close to the max of what realistically one normal guy can find. I know you can't believe me, but this is 100% true story and there's more like... all our mutual friends took her side (men too). The beta cucks are outstanding.
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