First a little about me, then the date and last my toughts.

  1. About me:

So I didn't know TRP existed when all this happened (~5 months ago). I was just over with my 5 year LTR. Although I discovered TRP 2 months ago I was pseduo-redpilled about the dating world since 2013 thanks to the book The Tao of Badass. Then I jumped into a LTR with a bonafide paranoid + bipolar girl which halted my progress for the next years.. I went into this date with the knowledge that I don't intend anything serious, I wanted to get my feet wet into the dating world and was really outcome independent. Sure getting sex was going to be good but this was not my purpose with the date. I'm 25, tall, with the V-type body but not ripped. Biggest draw - weak social skills. In essence I'm above her in looks. She wasn't anything special..

  1. The date:

The date was bad. She was totally oblivious and disengaged in/by anything that happened.

Usually we talked about her and things she wanted to talk, she showed little ineterest in my until I made her fall for me (duh I guess?). First we walked in a park about an hour and talked, I don't even remeber about what.. During this time I tried getting closer physically but didn't get anything. So we went to play snooker.

Before the date we have talked and when I have asked her if she plays snooker she said yes and was very enthusiastic. Turns out she haven't played snooker. Only on her phone twice.... I learn this when we go to play as I've planned the date in advance. Fun times! So we are in this gaming club and I teach her snooker. But she's not going with the flow you know.. I ask her about herself (women love talking about themselves right) and we play. Nothing special. Then in my attempt to make things interesting I say suggest from now on when one of us makes a point in snooker he can ask the other Truth or Dare. So things get more interesting.. but no! She constantly "forgets" to dare me or ask me something. I don't remember what I've asked except 1 important thing which I'll reveal later. So we played and I saved one Truth question for later. It's noteworthy that she wanted to pay for her half which surprised me but I insisted and paid the whole thing. So we go outside and sit on a bench in the centre of the city.

Now we are out for atleast 2+ hours and have talked a lot, but not anything special and not much in a sexual way.. like friends. So basically I push the conversation about kissing and stuff and she comes out with the frienzone shit which I didn't expect really considering I wasn't supplicating to her and was leading her more or less. Felt really bad at that moment but accepted it somehow and with the outcome intependent mindset and conviction I, no longer covertley i.e. outright told her (using my Truth question) if she's okay if I go for a kiss and she's like "ok". Lolz! So, shaking, I go and kiss her. So we end up talking more and now she started opening up FUCKING FINALLY. Started asking me about myself, what I like etc. We went up and started walking again in the park. For 2 fucking hours (more) we walked and talked but this time I'm like - I don't really give a fuck I'll just squeez as much as I can from this situation. We end up talking about sex and our sexual fantasies. I'm way more bold and detailed in my explanation, really not giving much of a fuck. She giggles and is all red and is like "stop it please" but in a fun kind a way. So by the end of the date she finally started asking about my past relationships (these are important questions!) and ask me what I think of her and if I believe if she is capable of cheating! WTF obviously I'll say "no"... She ended up teaching me to dance under the moonlight (lol..). Kissed her 2 more times, again I pushed for it. During our conversation I learned her ex cheated on her and she still was with him, she broke it off because something else (don't remember). The fact she tolerated cheating is telling a lot about her... So out date is edning (finally) and she's hugging me, holding me by the hand etc. And I'm like - I don't care but always smilling. The fact that I didn't care doesn't mean I was mean.

After we parted way, she started texing me for the next 2-3 months. Always starting the conversation, everytime I weasel myself out of the conversation. Few days pass, she texts again ad infinitum.

  1. My thoughts:

Well I think the fact I showed that I don't care if I'm friendzoned and still went for a kiss (somehow?) opened her up. She is a mess, too much problems. Doesn't know what she wants and is going on autopilot. I believe she acted this way unintentionally. Although I didn't show how hurt I was by the frienzone speech I still showed vulnerability AFTER it, or more specifically honesty. Told her what I like (about sex) in a shameless way and everything else (that outcome independet minset!). Also when we danced like retards, some other retards was laughing at us briefly and I showed I don't care about them much. I guess that's some points too?

So the 2 most important things that got me out of this situation (i.e not be friendzoned) are:

  1. Outcome independent mindset (boldness and honesty comes from here). Being bold is sexy and honesty is not bad I guess.
  2. Persistence/not giving up until it's final. Now I could have easily given up when she frienzoned me. Go home, feel sorry for myself etc. But with persistence I got 3 kisses and a dance lesson!

Gonna wrap this up as the vodka is over.. Share your thoughs and thanks for reading!