Are Shit Tests Worth Passing?

time4vipassana · 2018-05-12T15:47:09+00:00

First, we need to address the nature of shit tests. The problem with them is that they never stop. You will always be scrutinized, evaluated, judged and ranked. Shit tests are the best means evolution gave women to do this sort of analysis and they are forever given to you as a woman constantly needs to know if she could be doing better due to hypergamy. This is tough to digest for many men, but there isn't some relationship stopwatch where you just have to wait out the time to earn her loyalty or some alpha male piggy bank where if you put in enough displays of value, she'll unquestioningly be yours. The only woman who is capable of loving you unconditionally is your mother. That's it. And all times you've passed a shit test with flying colors in the past doesn't mean jackshit compared to the current test you're on.

So the next point is to question whether engaging with a lifetime of shit tests would be worth its potential costs. The fine folks down at TRP say of course and its their collective right to do so if they so desire. But there are consequences to every decision. For most mgtows, the decision for freedom means no pussy. For most TRPers, they have the opposite trade-off. They need to constantly ensure that they are the top male in any sort of social dynamic (at work, at the bar, in the gym, at the grocery market, etc...) as their woman(s) will constantly be judging him in comparison to the other males not only in the vicinity, but also that she knows to be authentically alpha like the frat star from her college years or Christian Grey (whether the comparison is based off a real person or not is not relevant as the tingles are the only thing that are real to her). He needs to perform even when he doesn't feel like it and be sharp even when he's tired, cause a moment's vulnerability is enough to potentially jeopardize his whole operation. Now, to be fair, if you are good looking, social/outgoing, and incredibly driven, this can certainly be done and maintained. Most men will not challenge you having been effectively neutered by the modern era, and there are tons of resources on how to deal with Chad the natural. So to be precise, it's just a lot of work to do rather than specifically hard work. But exerting the effort to constantly be the best man never lets up. Your throne is constantly under attack by other men who want what you have. The women will always be looking for chinks in your armor and need constant reminders of your status in the pecking order. Soon enough, you no longer will be living for yourself and instead will be living to impress other men and women. And once your terms for life are based off of the expectations of other people, can you really say that you are free?

The last point is to acknowledge your personal values. If you give importance all of these three values:

control, attention, competitiveness

then the answer to whether if shit tests are worth passing would be yes. If you give importance to just one of the three values:

freedom, peace, sincerity

then the answer to whether if shit tests are worth passing would be a resounding no as you will lose each and every one of them.

Howl_Skank · 2018-05-12T17:46:41+00:00

It's kind of a zen thing. Like a few of these other guys have pointed out, shit tests never stop. But when you completely don't fucking care about them anymore, you "pass" them all without even trying.

In a nutshell, if you're still thinking about HOW or WHY to pass shit tests, you're failing the big shit test.

LesterBurnham3409 · 2018-05-12T13:57:16+00:00

I consider being MGTOW as passing the ultimate shit test. You no longer care enough about female attention to be bothered to jump through the incessant hoops they set up.

jadsaad · 2018-05-12T13:25:25+00:00

The tests never end, you will loose eventually, until then their is no guarantee you will get sex.

Metalred84 · 2018-05-12T13:55:44+00:00

Shit test really never end. I was married for 4 years. I probably would've died from a stroke if I stayed with her for another 10. It ain't worth playing their stupid games.

WolfgangBreitweit · 2018-05-12T13:11:38+00:00

I never passed a shit test. That’s why I am single. But if you pass them you are screwed by her. It’s the typical dilemma in which you have to find the value for yourself. Imho it’s not worth to try to live a life in an ongoing experiment of a vag. She’s not worth that.

NordHamsteri · 2018-05-12T14:04:51+00:00

You can pass the tests say five years. Then lose one test and she divorce rapes you and takes the kids and house.

To pass the tests all the time you basically need to be a criminal (dark triad) which is prolly why women love those people.

JayJayEcks · 2018-05-12T14:56:53+00:00

dakturis · 2018-05-13T00:58:33+00:00

Giving a shit test is failing a shit test. Emotionally slap the bitch down, and move on. You can never win playing by their rules.

Ghustgan · 2018-05-13T01:31:09+00:00

It's easy to "hold frame" if you remember that, at the end of the day, it's all about Briffault's Law. If she's associating with you, you must have something she wants. Think about what that might be and act accordingly.

Shit tests should be completely irrelevant to you. Just tell her it's transparent and cut to the chase. Don't play.

ibonek_naw_ibo · 2018-05-13T05:09:59+00:00

Ah yes, the "shit test." If you want to see just how intrinsically asinine the impossibly reductionistic reasons for giving them are, simply walk up to a white man and call him a "n" then walk up to a black man and call him a "n" and see who "passes" and who "fails" the shit test (key word being "shit").

jeff_portnoy · 2018-05-12T15:41:51+00:00

To play their game is to step into their court where they make up the rules and always win. It's like stepping into a monkey pit and trying not to react as they throw shit at you because you feel like you're somehow "winning"

Hypogamy · 2018-05-12T13:38:55+00:00

The best tactic is to fail them on purpose and let women know if they pull this crap you will give them what they are looking for.

Shit tests = entrapment.

sir_wankalot_here · 2018-05-12T13:44:41+00:00

Both of you are wrong since niether of you understand what a shittest is. In psychological terms, a shittest is an attempt to break a frame. Holding frame is maintaining your view/perspective.

So inherently your question is moronic since you don't know what a shittest is but the TRP guy doesn't know either.

I tried to explain this to the TRP man but he claimed that you must dominate women, etc, etc, but I argued that this will only lead to trouble thanks to the #metoo movement. If you dominate a woman, she can and will use it against you. She can threaten to destroy your career and livelihood.

This mess can be summed up with, as one MGTOW posted, holding frame etc is useless if it isn't backed up with leverage.

So I wrote a post about it Breaking frames to escape beta traps

http://acrackletsthelightin.info/2017/01/13/Breaking-frames-to-escape-beta-traps/

Your question was, are shittests worth it? This question itself doesn't make sense. Your post is on a certain frame, my post is on a certain frame. Our two frames will collide. Usually the stronger frame breaks the other. So your frame started with a false assumption.

how women give men shit tests to test men to see if they are good enough

Every woman wants to make every man into a beta orbiter. That means she can collect resources for nothing. You hold frame and refuse, she then either continues talking to you or wanders off somewhere else.

You give women all the power.

Inherently you right because the man in most cases doesn't have leverage. So the TRP guy is full of shit since in most cases he doesn't have leverage. This is the fact TRP ignores. So generally speaking no but it is a case to case basis.

Title	Are Shit Tests Worth Passing?
Author	vhemtmgtow
Upvotes	21
Comments	25
Date	May 12, 2018 12:59 PM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
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