I do not seek validation but acceptance. I ALWAYS catch shit on this sub for being a NoFap person. But PLEASE brother I am going my own way just as much as you. I just wish to share my story. A recent comment in a NoFap post I made basically sums it up.

"Well I've been isolated since my breakup with my literally crazy (stopped taking her prozac and we broke up) ex. I have gone MGTOW (8 years, 6 relationships, nothing to show for it). However, PLEASE DO NOT JUDGE ME FOR THIS. MGTOW doesn't understand NoFap and NoFap doesn't understand MGTOW.

I am stuck in the middle realizing the beautiful gains from both such as more energy and time from NoFap and more wealth and time from going my own way and avoiding these toxic females i've wasted 8 years on.

I love the NoFap movement and the MGTOW philosophy. It is NOT for everyone but for me and my experiences I need both to move on and find self-happiness instead of external validation from porn and women.

Plus I've had sex thousands of times and that's usually all I get from women. TBH I find it quite a pointless act akin to masturbation. It's cool and all but satisfaction fades withing minutes of being finished and life returns to normal.

Nonetheless, the true answer, broke up with crazy GF, hadn't seen a real women in months due to freelancing so made NoFap easy, first exposure re-triggered something that disappeared after months of no contact."

MGTOW and NoFap are not for everyone on either end.

I get criticized on this sub for trying to practice NoFap and criticized on NoFap for trying to follow MGTOW. I'm tired of it. They are one and the same.

I do NOT want to seek social/women/sexual validation from Females or Porn. I simply like to go my own way from both.

Not masturbating has given me a tremendous confidence. Despite the new workplace I was perfectly able to avoid women in public and the rest while practicing NoFap. Only gave in after a MGTOW brother shamed me and I feel like shit every time now after not masturbating to porn for 3 weeks as I gave in and relied upon digital women which made me more likely to look at real women.

My point? NoFap shouldn't judge MGTOW and MGTOW shouldn't judge NoFap. I am one of the rare few who fall in the middle.

BUT I recieve the benefits from both, particularly only being 22. I gain a lot of self and women-control when not jacking off fiendishly to digital women and men having 3 somes and whatever else. (3 somes are my favorite, 2 women 1 man). All it did is, while in relationships, make sex unsatisfactory outside of the few 3 somes I had and now, GMOW,

It has destroyed my inability to be a lone. Seeking sex through porn, at the age of 22, leads me to seeking sex in real women.

Bad? Not necessarily. But I grew up a mama's boy in the single mother poverty system and have always raised women on a pedestal so viewing all as digital or physical sluts on a pedestal and going full MONK MODE is my only way out.

I hope both communities stop judging me and leave me be.

I have never felt more weak ad defenseless against women than when a MGTOW brother shamed me and I masturbated for the first time to porn after 21 days.

PLEASE can we just both agree to not understand each other but let both of us who fall in the middle, such as myself, as accepted to both groups and leave of us be?

I am tired of being judged for avoiding women both digital and physically. At 22 one leads to the other.

Avoiding REAL and DIGITAL women is best. I do not want to be shamed for this and told I NEED to masturbate. PLEASE just understand and let me follow both paths. Just because YOU need to jack off to women you'll never meet to avoid real women does not mean I will. I did fine until a MGTOW brother broke me now I'm hornier than ever and it's exacerbated by finally interacting with real women.

The post I quoted was aimed at NoFap in hopes of maybe hoping they wouldnt hate MGTOW in this post. Maybe even draw a guy or two. But I am tired of being hated by both while practicing both.

For Fucks Sake let me follow both and not catch drama. It's like being surrounded by women when i so much as MENTION either on the either sub.

Just support me and say good job. That is all I ask please.

A MGTOW already gave me the arguement/logic to give back in and I have now been weak and looking for digital love for 3-4 days. I am disgusted with myself.

PLEASE just support a fellow brother taking the hardest of all paths at age 22. I am NOT saying you cannot masturbate, just saying for me it leads to real women and troubles I've already experienced.

I do not want a support group I am just tired of being judged for healthy and positive life choices which help me avoid women.

I'd rather have wet dreams 3 times a years. It gives me more control over my hormones and hooking up. If I keep getting beat up by both subs i WILL have to choose one or the other and IDK how to make that decision after 8 years of being financially and emotionally raped by women.