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[–]ArthurVonL21 points22 points23 points 9 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
Nice well written pile of bullshit, hypergamy has ever existed, women were just better at hiding it and there was no science and no internet to expose them. Search for Herodotus and you'll read redpills from the ancient times. There were books and people studying and writing but they were a few and fewer could actually read those books. Ignorance and illusions have kept societies together, not monogamy and women forced to marry and forced to be faithful(most of the times failing). Monogamy is a made up by religions to try and organize people better, but we are the worst kind of animals, that is why we won the battle over other humanods and animals, because we sucks as living beings. Monogamy is just a legend, women are kids for the most part of their lives. You can tell a kid to not touch the candies all day long, but leave him alone with candies that speak to him "hey just eat me, you'll like it" and boom it happens. Stop basing your theories on alpha/beta bullshit, even Chad get fucked over a lot of times, when his golden times are gone. There has never been an healthy society, maybe less crazy and less exposed, but women have done the same things for thousands of years and the proof are the islamic countries where women get stoned for cheating, STONED TO DEATH. And they still cheat, ask yourself why.
[–]MaunaLoona16 points17 points18 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Hypergamy has always existed, but it was under control of society through laws and social pressure. Now we have no fault divorce and a "you go girl!" attitude towards promiscuity.
[–]methylotroph6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What we have now is a mouse utopia. Consider the falling and below replacement levels breeding rate of more and more developed countries: Give women all they ask for and they can't even manage their most basic function anymore.
[–]ArthurVonL2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hypergamy was not under control, women still fucked the milkman when the husband was at work. The only thing that was under control was granting most men with a woman that most of the times turned to be a whore, without the DNA tests I wonder how many Chads kids were raised by men that were not their fathers. It was just less painful, and men had a chance of having a family and not risking all their wealth and mental health over it. Controlling women was a way to have a less crazy society, and to have better men. I'll tell you what, just keep in check your sexuality and you'll be fine, women just control us through sex, rarely they can offer more.
[–]T000000920 points21 points22 points 9 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
the males they choose to mate with stay in the gene pool
Dumb, violent, irresponsible, criminal, but like OMGZ he's soooo hawt!!
This guy is close, but he misses some very important details. Females seek the "top 20%" but that doesn't mean the guy is an actual leader, which is what an alpha male is. Wealth, status, height, physic and other criteria have nothing to do with "leading the pack" just like being the biggest baddest motherfucker in a gang doesn't make you the kingpin of a criminal enterprise.
What turn females on is sexual/social dominance, neither require a Ferrari or beach front condo in Hollystupid. Those are visual signals, which any schlub can rent or steal from someone else. Would you really go into battle with guys like Zukerburg or Gates leading the charge?? Would you die for them, or be loyal to them no matter what happens?? Yet both "qualify" as top 20% men, even though they are the butt of jokes world wide. How about some psycho like Helter skelter.... Yeah... Another loser who is fawed over by all the ladies.
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<Bill Gates------------------]You[---------------------Ted Bundy>
Females pick the worst possible men to breed with, and always have, which is why ACTUAL LEADERS came up with a way to keep women in check with monogamy/marriage and social rules that forced women to keep their legs and mouth shut. The "beta male" isn't the only one who keeps the gears of society running, it's the actual leaders that men follow, not the lucky misfits who have name recognition or a fancy desk with a walnut nameplate.
[–]andreas-mgtow14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Yes, true wisdom. This confusing of "Alpha" and "Chad" in TRP is a mental illness. TRP/PUA has conflated "Alpha" with whatever gives wimminz tingles nowadays and "Beta" with whatever trait is undesirable to wimminz.
Under such a brilliantly gynocentric classification AlphaClownBro is way more "Alpha" than Darwin or Churchill.
[–]T000000913 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Exactly, and like all the other delusional redefinitions we must endure, this one really cause a lot of problems for men. It s one thing to be tall, good looking, and socially adept, BUT that doesn't earn respect or compel men to follow you into battle. A $20,000 Rollex and a penthouse may be great for parties, or impressing people BUT it will not convince another man to sacrifice his life for yours, or anyone else.
Those things require real leadership, from real men who are more concerned with the survival of their tribe, city and castle than what some tart at the pub, or the local church lady thinks of them. Einstein, while not a leader still changed to world along with many others yet he was "just a beta" that no women would breed with, because.... AlphaClownBro??
What a complete waste with so much lost potential and advancement all because women have zero self control.
[–]methylotroph5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Consider for a moment the inverse. Our instinct causes us to lust after a woman with a perfect body, almost always though she makes you pay for access to that body most painfully. Likewise female instinct causes women to lust after conflicting and paradoxical traits in men, leading them to misery of their own devices, a misery they must share now less.
Instinct has programed us to hunt down a mate, suffer a lot and than die. Break the cycle, rise above, be mgtow.
[–]T00000095 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
The difference is men may desire "perfection" and look for it, or even try to attain it, but women operate in a completely different way. They expect and demand that same perfection, only not in themselves. A woman will fuck the ugliest, dumbest, and most socially repulsive man if he can pass her shit tests. That's all that is required, just be the right dancing monkey on the right day and viola.... You can knock the dumb cow up.
Men would never make that choice, unless he is also in that bottom feeder category, a man will be really averse to that low quality woman, where in the inverse there is no such standard with women. Then you add the "cost for access" to the higher quality female, who is also operating on the same program, be the right dancing monkey on the right day and viola you are off to the races again.
All women operate in the moment, men operate in the future, so for us there is no alternative other than walking away.
[–]scouse_till_idie1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
All women operate in the moment, men operate in the future
I find it's the opposite a lot of the time, women will try and suss out how much money you have early on so they can see if you're able to provide for them while they sit at home farting out babies and fucking chads, for example. Some men just wanna fuck and get trap into the pussy and thus act in the moment or believe the illusion of love.
[–]T00000090 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Possibly, but that is a perspective issue, we all know females lack the ability to plan strategically so they mask that with their ability to manipulate people on the fly which is not the same thing.
[–]hertus1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Don't worry too much about it, man. Just go MGTOW. Forget about women.
[–]somerandomwordss1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Feels like there are at least two different types of guys here. One that sees total apathy in the mating struggle, the other that sees the need to change the game.
I already have clueless, adding to the discussion isn't a race to the plantation.
[–]methylotroph1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well men evolved to do, women evolve to be, men had to dance to breed, women merely need to pick a dancer.
If dancing brings you suffering, don't dance, be mgtow.
[–]AjaxFC19002 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
A $20,000 Rollex and a penthouse may be great for parties, or impressing people BUT it will not convince another man to sacrifice his life for yours, or anyone else.
Surely you're joking... eliminate trump's wealth which by the way he acquired by fucking the next man in the ass and you'll have just an idiot yelling , screaming , making funny faces and saying really stupid things with a very limited vocabulary....people would have never voted for him if not for his wealth
This is so fucking stupid I ain't gonna waste my effort to clue you in
[–]Zombocom191118 points19 points20 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I really don't care one bit what happens to society. Prostitutes (if I am in the mood for the girls with the best bodies and oral skills, and have money to throw around) or easy lays (sluts) and enjoy life, is my motto.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Exactly. I really don't understand this 'movement' thing. I don't care about women.
With that being said, I don't think blaming a female or acting like a 'female' is plain stupid.
What's with all of these nostalgic romanticism anyways...I never understood this fantasy of modern men.
Let's get back to the 1800's where fathers used to beat their sons if they didn't listen. If there was internet back then, I think fathers would have talked about how child abuse is needed to keep children in control.
This is the same. We talk about the patriarchal societies in the form of a romantic way(nostalgic romanticism) but we don't talk about how women were shamed back then for cheating by the society. Men had few to zero consequences back then. Now, that is a female oppressed society.
I am not white knighting them. I am merely talking about what happened. I don't blame the current generations of females for what they are because they are the first products of feminism. Any manufacturer knows that the first prototypes are always shitty and defective.
By the turn of events, we are caught up in this turmoil. Since we are not capable of waiting for a couple of generations for the product to refine itself, the best solution is to go in your own way. Fuck prostitutes and enjoy life. You have no other choice.
[–]Darthmat081 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Me and you both. For the men wanting to go back to the old ways of dying in wars while your wife cheats you with chad I say have at it.
Us young useless males will enjoy life.
[–]scotFree660 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Perhaps you will when the tanks roll in and they start shooting all males over 14 ;0)
[–]Darthmat080 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
/pol is that way man.
[–]Folwart5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
In my opinion, few actual alphas are easy to pick out amongst the legions of imposters putting up a front. It happens in nature as well. Women seem to fall for the fakes over the real deal more often than not. People really need to be raised differently, particularly women because they tend to lack the equipment to recognize what is going on and implement change to their belief system. Many men, not most, are redeemable.
[–]scouse_till_idie4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
few actual alphas are easy to pick out amongst the legions of imposters putting up a front.
Good point, a lot of those alphas are just roided up betas, they're clueless and hence why they end up going down the generic route of getting married and/or having kids with multiple women.
I know a bunch of so-called alphas who have had kids with some random woman and married her only to realise it was all too much and now they're with some other girl who will actually give them a blow job without making them feel bad about it. They're essentially children still and not alpha.
[–]Muewaygo3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Good Summary
[–]Muewaygo0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
By the way, what website did you get that post from?
[–]Coluphid[S] 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
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[–]ss_camaro4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Legalize prostitution (reverse harem effect) and surrogacy.
Problem solved.
#bitchfree4life
[–]Ultramegasaurus12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
Prostitution is overrated as fuck in terms of its capability to balance the scale. It's as legal as it can get in Germany and it does fuck all.
Men's veneration for women goes deeper than sex, much deeper. They want to that "soulmate connection".
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[–]scouse_till_idie0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This.
[–]hertus4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
girlfriend experience
[–]ss_camaro1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's as legal as it can get in Germany and it doesn fuck all.
It is a major boon for men. Maybe you meant "fuck 4 all" because it adds up to MILLIONS of fucks given a day/hr.
Men's veneration for women goes deeper than sex..
Bl00pers will Bl00p... There's always going to be simps among us, but just like fundies, they need to be kept FAR AWAY from the legal/political establishment.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Prostitution is already legal in many parts of the world, including here in the U.K where brothels are a bit of a no-no in the eyes of the law but independent people are free to have sex for money. Prostitution honestly isn't the answer to the original post.
The reason being of course is that not all women will become them, the ones that do are also shamed by other women for having sex for money even though many women do this indirectly anyway. If anything the idea that men should have to pay a financial penalty to have sex or to be with women is part of the problem in the first place. Prostitution as a lifestyle can be seen all over the world, many women give themselves to a man in return for security or luxury, even if this means changing their own ideals completely. After all, why would an attractive, middle class girl go to work in a brothel when she can become a sugar baby without leaving her house or secure a man to live with to provide for her. These are the most socially accepted forms of prostitution and to me is part of the problem and not solution.
[–]ss_camaro0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
U.K where brothels are a bit of a no-no in the eyes of the law
Sounds like a problem with feminist hypocrisy. It's either legal or it is not. Which is it?
Prostitution honestly isn't the answer to the original post.
It absolutely does reverse the harem effect.
not all women will become them...
Not all of them have to. A few 8-9-10s with a work ethic can serve a multitude of men more than an average housewife.
are also shamed by other women for having sex for money
H8ers are going to hate...
These are the most socially accepted forms of prostitution and to me is part of the problem and not solution.
Laws, culture and economics are in flux.
[–]NaughtyFred1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's either legal or it is not. Which is it?
It's legal to sell sex...but illegal to buy sex.
What a mindfuck!
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I don't run the laws! There has been talk of regulating the industry though over here but I'm not sure if it will ever happen soon.
I think I failed to illustrate my point clearly in my original reply so I'll try and clear it up a little bit.
So think about it, the situation is we have a vast majority of women who are looking to trade up or secure a man within the top 20% - the much touted 80/20 rule - it's not an exact science sure but I think most guys here have experienced this and hypergamy in general. In the U.K we already have a situation where if a girl wants to escort then she can, that is completely legal. On the illegal side we have seedier brothels (with the implication being that pimps profit from brothels which makes it illegal) with lower quality women but they will work for a lot less.
Yes it's true that a girl could through quite a few guys each day but the simple truth is that 8-10's don't come cheap whether they are prostitutes or not and that means that it isn't a real solution for most men. The common man doesn't have £1000 to throw away a week for a few hours of sex - they just don't. And so in this sense is there no similarity from the original 80/20 model? The only men that will be able to afford the best prostitutes and be able to enjoy them regularly will be the men in that top 20% of wealth anyway. Excluding literal, forced sex work or a sudden rise in incredibly good looking women taking up prostitution then it will be unlikely to see any decrease in the market value for these women. The latter is highly unlikely as most women who are that good looking simply just won't need to escort, there are many options already available to them to attain what they need.
TL;DR - As long as the pussy stock remains inflated then I do not think that using high-quality prostitutes is a viable option for most men on a regular basis. We have to crash the market.
[–]ss_camaro0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
On the illegal side we have seedier brothels (with the implication being that pimps profit from brothels which makes it illegal)...
Like I said above, this sounds like a feminist hypocrisy problem and by extension a UK problem. There is no 'dualism' in places like Amsterdam. Shit's legal.
..the simple truth is that 8-10's don't come cheap whether they are prostitutes or not and that means that it isn't a real solution for most men.
In open markets, supply and demand determine price. In artificially scarce markets like the U.S. pussy prohibition, prices are higher. When EE opened up prices in WE plummeted. £1000 is out of market. 50-100 EUR is more like it. Most working class blokes can afford that even if an occasional 6 is thrown into the mix.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
We may have to just agree to disagree on this one but as I mentioned earlier the market is not scarce at all over here and you are not getting a 10/10 super model woman for 50 Euros a hour. The base price is more like £100 an hour for a 5 or 6/10 probably with tattoos, scars etc. I'm sure you could find cheaper or for less time like 15-30 minutes but then what's the point in doing it really? and for a working class man earning £300 per week that is quite a bit of money that he would not have to spend.
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[–]GaryRidgeway2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You notice even left societies tended to focus on family, non-degeneracy, etc when done correctly. The USSR would've collapsed so much sooner had it defined itself by poopdick liberalism. Castro's Cuba would not have been able to be isolationist for so long had it predicated on vagina worship.
Japan is collapsing and become completely dependent on the US and is it any surprise it's a hypergamous hell hole? China suicides are up, marriage and male/female bonding is down. These are not coincidences but the cuck will make every excuse in the world.
[–]spleentastic1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
China suicides I get, with the huge disproportionate male population thanks to the one child policy. But, Japan collapsing? Have time for a bit more detail? Quite curious since I live in Japan.
[–]hertus1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think he means slow collapse. Stock market trending down, economy in deflationary recession, birthrate very low, hikkokomori, etc.
[–]Disaster5323852 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I think passive withdrawal like you see in Japan is a more likely outcome than violent male-male competition.
[–]mgtowthrowaway901 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You forget that Japan has barely any third world immigration, unlike other places in the west.
[–]MaunaLoona0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So what we need is what women have been voting for since they obtained the right to vote: Socialism. Equal distribution of pussy.
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