I want say something

jermrash7 · 2019-12-14T21:17:02+00:00

If social life is what you need,well mgtow is about doing what you want with your life,not owing explanation to anybody.Do what makes you happy,good luck.

MadRussian07 · 2019-12-14T22:16:42+00:00

You do you my fellow man, you don't owe nobody nothing. Remember that

GrisBosque · 2019-12-14T22:49:56+00:00

You are here to learn and be tested.

Do well!

John_M128 · 2019-12-15T02:05:03+00:00

20 year old male here. Let me tell you now that it is okay to have relationships. Having dudes you spend time with is not dangerous. Just don't get too emotionally attached or reliant on them to be there for you, because there will be times you will be disappointed, so don't expect it.

Happiness= Reality MINUS Expectations

Batman_MGTOW · 2019-12-15T03:34:33+00:00

No, your lack of a social life isnt even part of the reasons why you hate your life right now. You are facing a similar problem that I have from 17 to 21 years old, it is like an existential crisis, you look at your parents and know that you dont want to get married or have children because you remember all the bad stuff that they went through and realize that the good is completely outweighed by the bad and this cost benefit analysis combined with mgtow knowledge allows you to see for yourself that mgtow is a much better option. Also, when you look at the life that your parents lived, you realize that most of it was spent working and taking care of the family.You know that you dont want your life to be as meaningless as the average person's, since you know now that love between a man and a woman doesnt even exist and interacting with women puts you at a high risk of losing your freedom, then the question you start asking yourself is: What can I do to make my life better and different than the average man?

The answer to this existential crisis that makes you want to kill yourself is self actualization and maximizing the value of your time by specializing in a specific skillset that would give you access to a high demand high paying job. What took me years to finally understand and accept and what you need to realize yourself is that life doesn't have a higher purpose, and nobody will give you what you want just like that when you are a man. To give meaning to your life, you need to have hobbies and interests. They can be anything: movies, tv shows, anime, video games, books, comicbooks, manga, bodybuilding, running, hiking, skiing, swimming, fishing, hunting, playing guitar or piano, learning a new language, visiting a new country that you have always wanted to see, going out to see concerts, and so on. There are many more things that you can do with your time to make your life worth living, what you end up doing depends on what you prefer and what you want your life to be. When you start to do things with your life, you will come to realize that women were never the whole purpose of living but only one of the many options that were available to you.

But what you must do before you even begin to fully enjoy your life is you need to earn your freedom first, because without your freedom, your options will be severely limited, and you will find that money will be the main limiting factor that is preventing you from doing what you want. The money itself isn't what is going to make you happy, it is only when you start to use it to enjoy your favorite hobbies and interests that you are going to derive happiness from it. And that is why you must make it your mission to save and earn as much money as possible starting today. To do this, you must go to college and major in something that is valuable and so difficult that most people would prefer avoiding it for something easier. The truth is that most degrees are completely worthless. Your best option is to major in something that requires only a bachelor's degree to make a lot of money in, here are some of the best majors: software engineering, electrical engineering, CPA (certified professional accountant), computer programmer, accountant. None of these degrees are as easy as the liberal arts and this is why most people choose the liberal arts, because most people hate math but the truth is that math is only logical, the only reason why people hate math is because its difficult because once you understand a specific mathematical concept, it's very easy to use it and you will not forget it easily, it is only difficult in the beginning when you know little to nothing about it. Since most people are lazy and not ready to major in any of the things that I mentioned, they are your best option, that is because they contribute in making the things that are in high demand by our society but very few people actually have the qualification to do these jobs and because of that, the people who work in these industries make much more money than the average person and their yearly salary can easily reach over 100 000$ a year because of the high demand for this kind of work. Of course, since these are some of the most difficult majors out there, they will require much more work than a liberal arts degree but they will take the same amount of years as a worthless liberal arts degree to obtain. If you want complete detailed information about each college degree and whether it is good or not and why, I recommend that you buy the book "Worthless" by Aaron Clarey, it is only 5$ on kindle and will give you all the information you need to avoid majoring in a worthless degree and being stuck paying huge student loan debt (that keeps increasing) for your entire life.

The reason why I am telling you all of this is because in having a higher wage you can command other people’s time and thus enrich yourself. Understand that while the money you receive from somebody is in exchange for your labor, it is also a claim or right to other people’s labor. If I have $10,000 I can “command” a group of people to give their time to me via making me a car. Once again, I am exchanging $10,000 of my time for $10,000 worth of theirs. In a very basic theory the number of hours I sacrificed earning up that $10,000 should be the same number of hours everybody spent building the car, but what if my wage was $500/hour while the average auto manufacturer was only paid $50/hour? My ONE hour will buy TEN of theirs. I only sacrificed 20 hours of my life to buy 200 hours of theirs, netting me 180 hours of additional time.

This emphasizes the value of having a skill or a trade, but also shows you how to become “wealthy.” It is in making that same hour of your time much more valuable than other people’s time. It is in doing so you can sacrifice a small fraction of your time, for multi-fold amounts of other people’s time. This surplus time, of course, does not manifest itself in the form of an extended life expectancy, but rather riches in the form of money or material goods. And you can then invest that money to make even more money.

As for your family and the people around you, you need to learn to keep some things to yourself. If you talk to someone about mgtow, you are essentially doxxing yourself and putting yourself at risk because now they can use that intel against you, that is why it is best to reveal as little personal information as possible to make sure that people have nothing to attack you with, if they ask about your personal life, only tell them the good things, don't tell them how you feel or what you want out of life, they aren't your therapist, I made that same mistake a few years ago but now I have gotten so good at this that people dont suspect anything, and that is because if people talk about controversial topics, I will either try to dodge them by changing the topic of the conversation or I will pretend to be on their side. You may think that this is fake or immoral but it is actually a very intelligent and Machiavellian way of dealing with people because it teaches you to see people not as potential friends but assets to allow you to have access to more opportunities and improve the quality of your life. Also, one of the main reasons why you must pretend to be someone else is because it puts people off your case because they will believe that you are exactly like them and so they will not be worried that you are going down a wrong path, and they will treat you well also because they will feel like you both have lots of things in common. I remember that back in high school, I got into a lot of trouble with people because they saw me as different, because I allowed them to see the real me, but if I had done what I do now, they would have thought I was their best friend and they would have treated me as such.

Diogeneplz1 · 2019-12-14T21:17:03+00:00

Being apart from the main ideologies or way of life of the tribe has always been hard for those who want true freedom. In the past, it makes sense to sacrifice some personal freedoms and identity for the tribe. In exchange, you are protected, have a sense of belonging, and a sense of purpose. People want to have these things before all else. Some dudes never are willing to make this exchange and thus must be solo. It’s fair. In today’s society, it’s such a rAw deal for a male, that it’s not worth belonging which sucks for those who do want to belong to a more reasonable and fair society. Not all men are built to be lone wolves.

Don’t feel guilt or shame for not belonging. You have to catch these thoughts and feelings and reprogram your brain not to respond that way. You are free to live life totally alone. I have a good family, but I will be pushing them away some what because they will trap me into the blue pill life. Luckily, they’re awesome enough where that’s okay and we can still be cool as long as keep my mouth shut up about my opinions. Learn to keep your mouth shut. It’s hard but it’s worth and you’ll logically only ever hurt yourself unless you find someone who thinks similarly. Be externally agreeable. Lying and phoniness is okay when you are forced to do for your own protection and sanity. I used to have a fixed rigid moral code, but my morality is flexible. You lie. I’m lying back. You steal from me. I’m getting you back. No more two wrongs don’t make a right except when it’s petty shit not worth bothering about. An eye for an eye or you’re getting fucked harder If you really fucked with me, which luckily probably won’t happen.

It’s all you. There’s no tribe to belong to anymore. Maybe one day, but not now and maybe not forever.

techstural · 2019-12-14T21:21:26+00:00

Though it's hard (starts harder, gets easier), it is never too early to start standing on one's own two feet. Good job embracing that at such a young age, and being able to identify your own weakness (like following jack-asses).

People are basically herd animals and practically all of them get broken by life. It's good to focus on what matters, like surviving. Strive to better yourself (learn new skills, hold down jobs, etc.), and believe your own perceptions before what other lying dogs try to make you believe.

Though, truly, most people aren't worth spit, but there is still some love in the world, like in nature, and, occasionally, in people.

SawsRUs · 2019-12-14T22:31:14+00:00

> Im forced to not be myself around my family and in my high school. They'll just see me as a "selfish" person.

Get used to it dude, telling lies is how they control you. They'll lie & lie until something gets under your skin; avoid it as best you can.

Gabo9718 · 2019-12-14T22:38:36+00:00

From the darkest pit, the strongest and relentless are born. You’re only 17, wait till you’re 25 and your pre frontal cortex is fully grown, you’ll see that you were created to be alone because no other creature in this world possess the hardcore powerful rational mind that you possess, you’ll be happy to actually be the way you are. What is happening to you right now is that your mind hasn’t fully mature, so you’re being swing away by your emotional side. Just hang in there for a while longer and seize your time so you can exploit your powers to its fullest extent. Best luck brother.

ShadOh-Z · 2019-12-15T00:06:48+00:00

Keep walking your path but don't completely ignore the world brother, you still have to interact here and there. Keep your head up, it gets hard but you will have awesome times. Best wishes.

since25jan2019 · 2019-12-15T00:14:31+00:00

Dude. We have a recliner with built-in massage waiting for you here. Big screen surround sound. Cooler full....

Crafty-Tackle · 2019-12-15T04:49:26+00:00

I think you should just focus on programming and try to get a job in the game industry. But, you have to protect yourself there too. Some companies will use you up and throw you away when you are burnt out.

rag_narok · 2019-12-15T11:40:29+00:00

Maybe you should Step a Bit back and watch your Life from another ankle. See what exactly wrong is and how you could Change that even when it is just a little thing it can help you. It can also help to talk to someone to clear your head. Find the middle from ,,fuck them all'' and not bieng a dick. Find a Hobby like Sport,drawing or make Musik. Try to bring structur in your life. Sorry for my English but i hope you unterstand what i mean. Im sure you will get trough this.

mvlock · 2019-12-15T12:58:23+00:00

try vitamin b complex

eat healthy (no bread or sugar )

get 5htp or l-dopa

get advise from a doctor , so u wont badly mixed drugs

Notthewordofgod · 2019-12-15T15:08:39+00:00

I wish you the best of luck bro, 18 yr old here and planning to move in a couple months, I was in your position a few years ago and the best advice I can give is to not focus on what others think, and focus on your own goals and passions.

Title	I want say something
Author	XJ-4061
Upvotes	31
Comments	19
Date	December 14, 2019 9:04 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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