You guys have changed the way I look at the world.

BitcoinBoffin · 2019-12-15T09:54:34+00:00

And you can't unsee this, ever!

Dmapguy · 2019-12-15T10:08:12+00:00

Welcome! But a very cautious welcome.

gtowerthrowaway · 2019-12-15T10:20:38+00:00

Incels and PUAs are obsessed with getting women.

It's the polar opposite of MGTOW.

crityouallday · 2019-12-15T10:25:46+00:00

Perception is great once you see the other side the greener grass.

You are your own best motivator and I'm glad to see people actually read understand and apply.

I left 3 groups of friends who all are alcoholics and pussy addicts with no endgame in sight. It's sad they don't have the perceptions of why I left. Shame me for being extreme. Is rather walk alone than with those who inhibit my growth.

OldRoad · 2019-12-15T15:17:06+00:00

I'm not saying this about original poster, but something I've noticed about people online these days is this:

As people seem to be getting less into organized religion, as humans, they still seem to have the same needs that organized religion previously filled for people. For a lot of people, political and other social beliefs seem to be taking the place of past religious beliefs.

So now, it seems that people argue over political and social beliefs in the way that they used to disagree over religion. Their political and social beliefs have basically become their religion. Some of these people even seem to take pride in not being religious, while at the same time failing to see that they have in fact turned their political and social beliefs into their religion. So they are in fact what they claim not to be! They are right back to where they started!

They are actually worse off because a religious person recognizes that they have a religion and that some of the beliefs are typically taken on faith. But a person whose social/political beliefs have become their religion, because they do not realize that it has become their religion, also does not realize that they too have now taken certain things on faith. They think that all their social/political beliefs are like scientific fact, and to them, that makes them even more unquestionable.

Where in the past, people would be against someone simply because the other person was with a different religion, now people will rip on other people simply because they see someone as being on a different political and/or social "side."

The problem with this is that it leads to people treating each other in an unfair, overly simplified, "team" way. They don't like other people if they aren't on their "team." And they never think any deeper below the surface than that.

So, taking this MGTOW group as an example, someone from another political/social group will read that MGTOW is "on the other side" from their own group. Thus, they'll immediately dislike anyone or anything to do with MGTOW. They are encouraged to never look below the surface. Like: Why does someone end up MGTOW? What experiences did they have? Why did they reach different conclusions about things than other people did? Is MGTOW a reflection that there are actual problems with the dating world? By teaching people to think only in terms of what team people are on, thinking only at the surface, people are taught not to think any deeper and ask such questions.

To be fair, we get a lot of unhappy guys on here. They can get very negative, and I certainly don't agree with everything they say. But an outsider will simply rip on these guys while never asking: "Were these guys treated really badly, and maybe that's at least part of why they are so negative?" That's not an excuse for everything, but my guess is that a lot of what people complain about, with respect to MGTOW, could be explained, if people just asked what experiences these guys had.

Further, to be fair, even on this MGTOW group, you can see where certain political or social ideas seem to have taken the place of organized religion, for some people. Where I see this, is where sometimes people will insist that some social observation is ALWAYS true, it just HAS to be true. It's not enough to say that it's true a lot of the time, or even mostly true from their own experience. Instead, it ALWAYS HAS to be true. To me, I don't think this is really necessary, just my opinion.

One other note: When you are online these days, I wouldn't assume that opinions that you see expressed, especially ones that don't make sense, are necessarily real, honest opinions of everyday people. There seems to be a lot of organized manipulation of public opinion going on, and I've seen discussions where other people have talked about signs of this that they have noticed. So, when you see someone taking an extreme opinion that they can't explain to you, that they can't persuasively debate, you've got to wonder: "Is this person part of some organized effort to turn public opinion a certain way?" For sure, I think that people need to get suspicious of such possibilities, so that such strategies cannot work, so that people cannot be tricked into believing and/or supporting things that they would not otherwise believe and/or support. Also, if people don't get wise to this possibility, it's logical that you'll see things go increasingly in that direction online, which will probably increasingly ruin online discussion.

ImstarIordman · 2019-12-15T09:50:32+00:00

I am not super new to mgtow first heard about it 2/3 years ago from a friend before I divorced my ex he had a morning ritual of listening turd flinging monkey and Sandman.

Tfm is no longer in youtube....but I no longer use youtube for anything but stuff not on bitchute. If you have not watched them I highly recommend them. Both are funny as hell and make good content. Some shit on them for being sell outside or buying in to consumerism but face it they have to make money also making daily videos is not cheep of easy.

It was sandman who finally got me of reddit after hearing about it for years lol.

GTOH4U · 2019-12-15T10:21:59+00:00

Good stuff, and at 23 you can get a lot better yet, imagine yourself in 12 years at 35 in your prime AND having focused on being a better you for over a decade. Success upon success, you can be a PUA guru, self made wealthy and smart enough to brush off the leeches who'll want to live off your efforts.

licknsuckus · 2019-12-15T11:54:59+00:00

seek first to understand, before being understood! MGTOW forever!

Shimakaze4 · 2019-12-15T13:57:56+00:00

Interesting read, glad you've come around. I'm not sure why the IT guys hate us, you don't see us hating them. In fact I don't think anyone is really incel, in the modern world you can get sex if you really want it, hookers do exist.

richlad · 2019-12-15T09:45:07+00:00

Women are valued based on what they cultivate. Men are valued based on what they are born with.

This is why it's not worth becoming valuable for anyone but for yourself

2019-12-15T11:44:42+00:00

I never understood conflating MGTOW with incels. I and a lot of other guys here have no problem getting laid when we want to. When I was young, I did it all the time. I partied a lot, had flings and LTRs. Was even engaged briefly.

But I've been monk six years.

The only people who assume I am a basement dwelling virgin with unfortunate looks people on the internet who do not know me or anything about my specific life experience (for a reason).

AdrianoWerneck · 2019-12-15T12:36:04+00:00

Facts are facts. Emotional judgements about facts are subjective and irrelevant. If a man looks at divorce court and still decides to get married because of emotion and peer pressure, even aware about the risks, he cannot complain about not being warned by MGTOW.

When people start to ignore facts for the sake of pussy, its their problem as well, not ours.

Title	You guys have changed the way I look at the world.
Author	Sloth_Demon_685
Upvotes	24
Comments	14
Date	December 15, 2019 1:01 AM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/eas6uh/you_guys_have_changed_the_way_i_look_at_the_world/
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