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My friend just got dumped by his Girlfriend, again.

AndyTravelGuy314

November 20, 2019

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Dude is probably one of the kindest guys I've met and a solid 8/10 in terms of looks. He comes from a good tight knit family, so in general he always see life with positive outlook. Yesterday he told me how he got dumped by his girlfriend, and blames himself for being less catering. Which is kind of strange, since I know how he always changed plans just to pick up his girlfriend and pretty much was always in contact with her, even showing my face on skype just to prove he's not cheating. His previous girlfriend also dumped him, after he discover she was cheating behind his back.

Me being hardcore redpill after years of hardship wasn't big on that finding love deal. He didn't listened to me when I about a year ago told him that he will get dumped. He angrily dismissed the redpill ideas I told him, but now I can see in his eyes how his soul is crushed and rising from it's ashes again stronger. Even more it inspires me, if a 8/10 guy like him can't hold a relationship with as I always saw 6/10 at best, then why a guy like me even bothered to.

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Title	My friend just got dumped by his Girlfriend, again.
Author	AndyTravelGuy314
Upvotes	57
Comments	17
Date	November 20, 2019 5:09 AM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/dyx8bq/my_friend_just_got_dumped_by_his_girlfriend_again/
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[–]AndyTravelGuy314[S] 32 points33 points34 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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I never said I had those numbers down to a science but from my own experiences, I have seen that hypergamy is a very flawed concept, for example, if you are tall but only a 6 in the face, you can still get checked out by women who are 8s, just because you are taller than the vast majority of men, in this particular scenario I am talking about myself, I am 6 foot 4, but not particularly good looking in the face, yet I get lots of women who are attracted to me. Also, most men go for hotter women too, the only difference is that guys arent the gatekeepers to sex so their high standards only make it difficult for them to find a woman, I know because for the longest time I suffered from the same problem, I had a genetic problem that gave me a weird looking jaw where my lower teeth were in front of my upper teeth and ever since I got the surgery done to fix it, women have become more attracted to me than ever before, in the past, I would get looked at by a few 6s, but now women who didnt even notice me before, women as high as 8/10 in looks now notice me and want me a lot. The truth is that the only thing that matters is looks and "hypergamy" is as present in men as in women.

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[–]AdrenalineJunkySloth18 points19 points20 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

[–]Batman_MGTOW-2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This is completely false. Guys date down but not by such a massive gap, guys who have lots of one night stands will sometimes go for a 5/10 if he is really horny and she is the best thing available at that time, women do the same thing sometimes, however, most guys tend to go for the hotter women. I find it quite ironic that some mgtow accuse women of being hypergamous, when they are hypergamous themselves. And in reality, its just human nature to be attracted to the best looking people. If you look at the couples you see around you, you will find that most of them dont have a big gap in looks level, its extremely rare that a very hot girl will end up with an ugly guy unless she is a gold digger and he has lots of money.

What I have seen amongst mgtow is that many of us think they are more attractive than they really are, but the truth is that your looks level is determined by the quality of women you can attract, if you cant attract any women, then you are either too stupid to see which ones check you out or you are very ugly. If you can attract 5s and 6s easily and get sometimes looked at by hotter women, then you are good looking, its that simple. The problem is that most of us get told by our mother that we are the hottest guy on Earth, when we show her the actors or hot male celebrities we look up to, we get told that we are hotter than those men, so our own self image becomes very different from what we really look like and then we get confused when hot women arent interested in us. This is because we are lied to throughout our childhood because nobody wants to hurt our feelings, even women will tell lies instead of honestly telling us if they are attracted or not. This is why, the only way to truly know is to find out what kind of women are attracted to us. But some women suffer the same problem also, especially the ugly ones, they get told throughout their childhood that they are very good looking when they are really just hideous in reality. Also, I realized that last time I talked about this, I got downvoted a lot, probably because many men are insecure about their looks and not honest enough with themselves to acknowledge that I was actually telling the truth.

I think that a lot of men have trouble getting laid or finding a girlfriend because their standards do not match their looks level, this is why they have to work really hard to be someone they are not just to please a woman, because they are trying to get a woman who is above their looks level. I think that if men had standards that matched their looks level by approaching only the women who checked them out, there would be very few men out there who would have trouble getting a girlfriend, I think if more people were honest with themselves and had more realistic standards, their life would be much easier. But I think that its difficult for some guys to accept that they can only attract a 5/10 or below. Many mgtow have the idea that money magically makes you look more attractive than you really are but thats not the truth, unless you are looking for gold diggers. Because believe it or not but there are women out there who dont actually care how much you make as long as they are physically attracted to you. I think there are a lot of stereotypes in the mgtow community that arent actually what goes on in reality, like how most women just have sex with tons of so called "Chads" throughout their twenties and only get married to a simp to divorce rape him when in reality, most women jump from LTR to LTR, and unless the guy is a complete simp, she cant cheat easily without having her boyfriend find out about her betrayal. I also find it really weird how some incels have infiltrated our community and spread some of their beliefs and now those same beliefs are widely used by our community, the whole concept of the "Chad" was invented by incels, in the real world, there is no such thing as a Chad. There are successful PUAs though, but most of them arent 10/10 male models, they are only above average. I remember that back in 2016, when I first discovered mgtow, nobody used those words because they didnt exist but now they are used as if they have always been part of our vocabulary.

[–]AdrenalineJunkySloth1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Guys date down but not by such a massive gap

It's not only about dating, even beings good friends with or getting attention will do it. I personally know a few guys who is probably a 7-8/10 taking girls 2-3/10 out to boost his own ego. He doesn't necessarily make them his GF or have sex with them but he does go out with them, flirt with them, and try to get them to swoon over him, to like him. Then he goes around saying things like, "girls are easy, I can get a ton of girls"

I've then heard those specific girls walk around saying, "I can fuck anyone here looking this good" at a club. This girl was 2/10, 5'0" and about 200lbs. But that guy was being touchy and flirting with her all night.

Also, statistically, women are more obese than men. Also statistically, any given female will have more males trying to get at her or talk to her than any given male, on average. A 4/10 girl will have an easier time to get laid than a 4/10 guy, this is just how life is. If mathematically AND scientifically a girl can get MORE choice and mates while being LESS attractive... by default she will get MORE attention and MORE good-looking guys than her level or what we "think" she deserves.

So it's more than just dating. Using Instagram alone, a comment or like from someone is enough to boost her ego. If the guy is hot, wants nothing to do with her but likes something she posted, she could easily attribute that to the her having a good chance with that hot guy. Ego boosted.

I find it quite ironic that some mgtow accuse women of being hypergamous, when they are hypergamous themselves.

Not true. It's literally 100% opposite of each other. There's nothing wrong with wanting something more or better, that's natural. But there's something wrong with doing it at ALL cost, without any cause or concern or care about hurting or using others.

A guy will usually go for a pretty or less crazy girl... but in both cases, he likes her. He doesn't care what car she drives, the house she lives in, her job, her income, no. He likes HER and wants HER and wants to be with HER. Woman, in on the other hand, are hypergamous in a way that hurts men because it's usually to take what he has, including his time AND mental energy. Most of the time they don't actually care about the guy at all.

You have an average girl swinging on multiple guys (I promise you). Very few girls are not talking to ANY guys or are only talking to ONE guy. No, they usually are swinging on multiple guys, having each guy dedicated to a certain task: this guy does my homework, this guy takes me out to eat, the other guy keeps me from being lonely. Meanwhile, all of those guys have no idea he's not the only one and think he has a chance with her only to later find out he's nothing and is only being used.

Not to say some guys don't do this, the do. There ARE players out there but we have to focus on the majority, the average. Majority of guys are players while majority of girls are. This is math and science, you cannot argue with this. Look it up online, Google, Youtube. Try "Can guy and girls be friends?" just do it.

I think that a lot of men have trouble getting laid or finding a girlfriend because their standards do not match their looks level

You're probably right but I cannot speak for most guys but I can speak for all the guys I personally know in my life. All the guys I know don't have trouble getting laid. Not one bit. They have trouble finding a good, loyal girl who hasn't been ran through and isn't a hoe. They are late 20s. Then there are a few I know that will hoe out to anything and anyone.

Also, I realized that last time I talked about this, I got downvoted a lot, probably because many men are insecure about their looks and not honest enough with themselves to acknowledge that I was actually telling the truth.

I agree with this and I know EXACTLY what you're talking about. Many guys will be an instant "alpha" if they lower their standards. Both men and women have ego problem that think they deserve more than they really do. But at the end of it all, I still think women are way more biased and have a bigger ego.

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I've then heard those specific girls walk around saying, "I can fuck anyone here looking this good" at a club. This girl was 2/10, 5'0" and about 200lbs. But that guy was being touchy and flirting with her all night.

Yes this is exactly the same thing as an ugly guy thinking he deserves a hot girl because his self image is not based in reality, may men think they are hotter than they really are because people lie to them, its the same with fat girls especially, because they are so ugly, people feel they need to pity them and tell them they are hotter than they really are, but the truth is that those men and women who have standards that are too high eventually end up alone. Guys might fuck an ugly girl but they will never date her long term, if they do date her, they often cheat on her, its the same thing with women, if they are with a man below her looks level, she may date him for a bit, she may fuck him, but she is very likely to cheat on him for a hotter man, this is not hypergamy, this is just the simple fact that he is too ugly to keep her. What guys dont notice is that women suffer the same thing if they date up too much. Looks are so important in the dating game that they actually have an impact on how well you get respected by the opposite sex, if you are a couple points above a girl, often times, she will treat you almost like a god because she knows that if she treats you badly and you leave, that she will never find a guy who is this hot, because she knows her own value. And the same thing happens if she dates down, she knows that she can get hotter guys so she doesnt respect uglier guys.

He doesn't care what car she drives, the house she lives in, her job, her income, no. He likes HER and wants HER and wants to be with HER. Woman, in on the other hand, are hypergamous in a way that hurts men because it's usually to take what he has

This is false in most relationships, if your relationship is based on money then this is right, but most relationships are based on looks, look at most young couples and you will see that I am right. It doesnt even matter if the guy makes very little money or if he is broke, as long as he is good looking enough, women will be attracted to him, I have seen cases where the guy had no money and his girlfriend paid all the bills and worked full time to support them both, its not a common thing but my point is that when women go for a guy because of his looks, she doesnt care how much he makes. And these are the women who make the best girlfriend because they dont see you as a disposable utility whose only purpose is to give her free stuff. The whole concept of beta male provider is very real but it only happens to men who are ugly and have money, women like them because of their wealth, and the men believe that they actually like them, the gold digger's only goal though, is to extract as much money and resources while fucking him as little as possible. Most women arent like that though, if they do it its most often when they get close to the wall and cant find a good enough mate.

including his time AND mental energy.

The same goes for both, women invest their time and energy into the relationship just like men do.

You have an average girl swinging on multiple guys (I promise you). Very few girls are not talking to ANY guys or are only talking to ONE guy. No, they usually are swinging on multiple guys, having each guy dedicated to a certain task: this guy does my homework, this guy takes me out to eat, the other guy keeps me from being lonely. Meanwhile, all of those guys have no idea he's not the only one and think he has a chance with her only to later find out he's nothing and is only being used.

What you are talking about here are called "THOTS", they are extremely easy to spot and they do not represent the majority of women, often times, the reason why these guys get screwed is because they knew she was a thot but because of her physical beauty they couldnt resist and wanted to try anyways without actually caring about the consequences of their actions, if you look at most couples, you will see that thots are a very rare thing, because most of the time, they dont even have a stable boyfriend, they just go to bars and clubs and fuck as many guys as possible.

I once got approached by such a girl and she was very aggressive and this was before mgtow, and I was still smart enough to reject her, I could have fucked her, but I would have risked getting stds (because she is basically a whore), and maybe she would have tried to keep me, so I thought it just wasnt worth the hassle. When I say she was easy to spot, I mean that she had tons of male contacts on her cell phone, she had a very high snapchat rating and she was constantly texting many guys at the same time and had a beta male orbiter following her around, at one point I was walking with her and she was flirting with me in front of the guy, and it was clear why, I was definitely better looking and taller than that guy, even though I am not known for being a dominant or alpha type of guy, and what I have seen is that women dont care, all they care about is looks. And this is why its better to play in your own field instead of trying to join women who are too high level compared to yourself, because you will only get used by them.

The only guys who get friendzoned are guys who are too ugly for the girl in question, if they were as hot as her or better, they wouldnt even be in the friendzone. What I discovered is that women dont care about self confidence or your personality, they only care about what you look like.

They have trouble finding a good, loyal girl who hasn't been ran through and isn't a hoe. They are late 20s.

The reason why they have trouble finding a loyal girl is because they have waited too long, like I said before, a man's real prime and the best time for dating women and getting laid isnt when a man is in his 30s and 40s, its when he is in his late teens and during his early to mid 20s, because thats where women are the least damaged and the least used up. Most women who are in their late 20s to early 30s and havent found a mate will not find one later on, and all the "good" ones already have someone. However, I still agree with the mgtow community when it comes to getting married and having children, even if the girl is "good", you are still basically giving her a loaded gun and wishing that she doesnt shoot you with it even though she can only get rewarded for doing so. So it doesnt even matter if you find a loyal girl or not, my point in my comment before wasnt even to say that we should settle down with women, I wouldnt even be a mgtow if I truly believed that. No, I only believe that most young men would benefit from having a few relationships with women early on without getting married or having kids, so they can know later on what women are like, so they can avoid making the mistakes that many men have made and will continue to make. And my point was that, to be able to do this, you must lower your standards and be willing to date only the women who are naturally attracted to you, as long as you do this, you will never get put in the friendzone or used for your money, it is only when men date up that they find themselves in the worst relationships they have ever been in. Because, there is one thing that is an undeniable fact, there is a direct correlation between the looks gap between two people and how they treat each other, if a person is more attractive than another, he/she may get away with more bad things because the other person will feel like they are lucky to have them, this is why uglier/fatter girls have always been known to be much nicer than hot women, but this is not because hot women feel the need to be a bitch, its only because they have so many options that they superior because they are, in the dating game.

I still think women are way more biased and have a bigger ego.

No, men are the ones who are known for having a big ego, not women. Its not that they have an ego, but they realize the power that they have over men and they know that as women, they can get away with a lot of bullshit, so they arent afraid to make use of their power to get what they want from men and society and to be honest, they would be very foolish if they did not use their power to their advantage, anyone else would do the same in their place. Women arent even driven by pride and honor anyways, they are only driven by their feelings, by how they experience the world, they dont care about virtues.

[–]AdrenalineJunkySloth0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

ugly guy thinking he deserves a hot girl because his self image is not based in reality, may men think they are hotter than they really are because people lie to them

I didn't say I disagree, I'm saying MORE females think they deserve much more than guys do. Look up the 80/20 rule. Unless you can provide facts and evidence to disprove that what you and I say or believe have no merit. There are a tons of people who have had this debate before, we're not the first. It stays true, it's easier for girls to get a partner of varying degrees and that combined with nonstop attention on social media, girls tend to have higher expectations and think they deserve more. I did not make this up... do a simple Google search.

look at most young couples and you will see that I am right

Yes, and that's the difference, they're young. They have time to waste and not a lot of money to take. The key here is young. Most young girls don't go for good guys, they go for guys they look good and hoe around. When they get older or start running out of time they start feeling desperate. That's when they start using or going for guys with money... AND looks if possible. This is where dishonesty and deceit comes in. They wasted their good times doing what they wanted instead of what they should. And a LOT of girls are in this category. Trust me, most girls don't do this is because they don't have the opportunity to, not because they aren't like that. Girls like security. If there's a rich guy who will 100% give her security and promise of money, she'll be gone quick. GONE. But most don't have the opportunity so she stays with the poorer guy.

What you are talking about here are called "THOTS"

Nah, any average college girl who isn't a thot is subconsciously doing this. They will call all their guy friends "friends." Oh he's just a friend! Of course guys and girls can be friends! Oh me and Josh? Never, he's a good friend! They aren't even aware of this. Many times they do it subconsciously. Some have no clue the guy is trying to get at her. Some do but don't care.

No, men are the ones who are known for having a big ego, not women

Men are more cocky and arrogant when compared to other guys just to be more "manly" to be approved by other guys. Not many guys walk around thinking they're the sex god or that they're the epitome of what girls are attracted to. Actually, many guys are insecure with being inadequate and have performance anxiety. Different types of ego. Many more girls are the ones saying, "I can replace him in a minute" or "I got multiple dudes for multiple occasions." Of course not all females are like this but it's very much what is praised in our western society. You can look at mainstream media, music, movies, movements, etc. It's very much ingrained into what is normal is how it's supposed to be.

even if the girl is "good", you are still basically giving her a loaded gun and wishing that she doesnt shoot you with it even though she can only get rewarded for doing so. So it doesnt even matter if you find a loyal girl or not

But I would still prefer a good girl to decrease the chance of getting fucked over. And even if I do, I can say "well fuck, I tried" instead of going for a damaged used girl, having her fuck you over, and then saying "I'm such an idiot, I knew better." Yes, it does matter.

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