In this community I feel like these too are often one in the same. male seduction groups have got out of hand recently and treat women like objects and try to take advantage of them. group reinforcement causes this to spread making it horrible shit seem acceptable. mad respect to all the guys that go out sober but please stick to people on your level of intoxication. Female groups similar to the fds subreddit produce just as toxic herd mentality, they are teaching all of their deciples cult shit. the two biggest things is, that they make the standard for men, or hvm, way to high so they are setting themselves up for disappointment. and that men are lesser scrotes who only think with their dick meaning they all can be potential rapists.

both sides forever perpetuate sexism and I just wish people could use logic and emotion rationally.