Beta Movie Heroes

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July 11, 2020
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I was reading Rollo's Preventative Medicine where I came across him saying that no Beta Males appear as heroes in the movies. I think he means "hero" as an adventure or action hero, rather than "protagonist." And I think he's wrong. I can't think of too many ideas off the top of my head, but one glaring example would be Frodo Baggins, right? Wouldn't we call Frodo "beta"?


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Title Beta Movie Heroes
Author DaLaohu
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Date 11 July 2020 04:51 PM UTC (9 months ago)
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[–]El0vution6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Frodo starts beta and ends up Alpha. Luke Skywalker starts beta and ends up Alpha. Neo starts beta and ends up Alpha.

[–]sabsz161 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

What about Spiderman? (Especially with Tom Holland)

[–]PRW631 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Rollo is probably taking a broader historical approach.

I'm sure he is very aware of the current modern perversions in the remakes and re-boots.

If they make another modern James Bond movie,...it will probably be a blue pilled weak James Bond character,...the movie would never even get produced if not so.

[–]Continuous-Metanoia1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The Office is the ultimate glorification of Beta via Pam and Jim. Towards the end of the series it really hurts to watch. Jim ends his entire mission because his greatest treasure is his wife and it's making her unhappy.

[–]Proverbs_31_2-31 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Here's my take: Frodo is not a normal hero, and it's hard to apply alpha/beta to him

  • Frodo starts out sigma (bachelor, no love interest - unlike Sam who's interested in Rosie Cotton, wanders the wilds by himself on adventures)
  • He falls into a beta mentality (pedestalizes the Ring, totally Ring-whipped)
  • Probably black pilled (we're going to die, there is no hope)
  • He transitions to dark-triad at Mt. Doom when he decides to be the new Lord of the Ring and dominate all life
  • Then after the Ring is destroyed, he goes HGTOW (Hobbits Going Their Own Way) as he has PTSD from being a ring-bearer, and ends up sailing across the sea to Valinor to escape the mortal life.

In general, the Reluctant Hero is probably not the same archetype as the Heroes that Rollo was talking about, but who knows. This reminds me of Joseph Campbell's idea of character archetypes, which is worth looking into.

If anyone transitions from beta to alpha in the book (at least as AMOG, if not more), it is probably Samwise Gamgee. He starts out a gardener. Through the story he progresses as a faithful companion and aid to Frodo. He takes the red pill that the world is not as nice as he had thought while safely back in the Shire. But he does not ultimately despair, rather stalwartly pursuing his mission (to safeguard Frodo), even carrying the Ringbearer the last of the way up Mt. Doom. He does not succumb to the lure of the Ring when he carries it for a while, either. At his return to the Shire he participates in freeing the enslaved hobbits as a true and lordly warrior, and gets the girl too (Rosie Cotton).

Meanwhile, during the Scouring of the Shire (not in the films), where Merry, Pippin, and Sam show their growth as warriors and leaders, Frodo counsels against killing anyone. In fact, he may not have killed anyone or anything during the entire trilogy. So rather than coming back a Warrior like Peregrin, Meriadoc, and Samwise, he comes back as a Mentor or Sage, (an archetype where great sacrifice or brokenness is often required to gain knowledge or mystic power).

Maybe alpha/beta/gamma/delta/sigma/omega (who came up with these designations anyways?) aren't the only/best classification system for determining a person's character or role. Here are some of the heroic narrative archetypes that Joseph Campbell identified in The Hero of a Thousand Faces:

  • Hero
  • Mentor
  • Ally
  • Herald
  • Trickster
  • Shapeshifter
  • Threshold Guardian
  • Shadow


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