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I have a question for women

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January 10, 2020
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For those women on this subreddit that are not femminists, I want to know your motivations and reasons for not. I am not a feminist because of many reasons but I want to know yours


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Title I have a question for women
Author jackthepizzaman
Upvotes 39
Comments 26
Date 10 January 2020 03:11 AM UTC (8 months ago)
Subreddit antifeminists
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/710251
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/antifeminists/comments/emkxln/i_have_a_question_for_women/
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[–]AngelFire_3_1415619 points20 points  (5 children) | Copy

I began to reject feminism while I was in college. I realized that it wasn't promoting equality, but was more about further dividing people. I decided that I really didn't want any part of that.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Could you give some example of where it divides people? Just learning.

[–]AngelFire_3_141564 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Take a look at r/feminism. It should be self explanatory.

[–]Mjaxin37 points38 points  (7 children) | Copy

I am 14 years old, liberal, and a female, seems like I'd be the token target for feminism, right? I only started getting into politics in the last year or so, but my reasoning is quite simple. Feminism does not perpetuate equality. Plain and simple. Why do I need to join a so called 'movement' to believe in equal rights? With so many different branches of feminism, the label itself has become so broad, that even feminists themselves can't agree what they stand for. With the name itself, you can't discern a TERF from a misandrist from a liberal feminist (I like to call it Buzzfeed feminism.) They genuinely believe that the patriarchy (which doesn't exist), is more harmful than the matriarchy. I often argue with these sort of Buzzfeed feminists on Twitter and Reddit, and whenever I mention my age, they say shit like "this makes me worried for the next generation" or "this is why we need feminism", and my favourite: internalized misogyny. They have no logic, and need to get a fresh breath of reality. If me, a 14 y.o can get it, these 20-30 y.o American millennials have no excuse.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm so impressed about the new generation

[–]jack938859 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

You have discovered the illiberalities of feminism years before I did and tbh I'm kinda jealous. Wish I'd figured this shit out at your age

[–]ewanalbion1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Same age (not for long) but agree with you, I’m male however but why should that make a difference about our views in society? I’m glad that not only me and my little friends have the same views as me but all across the country and the world. Good going on you!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That was the best thing I’ve read in a long, long time. I want to sincerely thank you for writing that. Don’t let the haters get you, you’re the one doing liberalism correctly, the “Buzzfeed feminists” are a corruption of true western political liberalism. It should be self-evident to anyone whom understands the enlightenment and what liberalism actually stands for that not only is it not necessary to identify with feminism to be a liberal but that feminism is, and always has been, antithetical to the entire concept. Unfortunately, vast numbers of postmodern neomarxist pseudo-liberals dive headfirst first into the deep-end of feminist misandry and do so mostly in service of a cheap and unearned sense of moral superiority. They’re just narcissists. It takes an uncommon amount of intelligence and integrity to rise above all of that. Good for you. You should be very proud of yourself.

[–]Alida200112 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

dont need it. I can take responsibility for my actions, subject of education, where I work, how I look, who I date etc. and I dont need to conform to a narrative that blames everyone but themselves. I'll do what makes me happy and having people telling me that they're wrong just because it is bad or some feeble excuse is of disinterest.

granted, this is referencing more extreme feminism (the kind we mostly think about tbf).

[–]Gameperson7007 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

When you’re a woman, you grow up in a world that tells you that you don’t get equal pay, you are lesser compared to men and that you still don’t have equal rights. Who wants to grow up thinking like that? We’re told that stuff by feminism and it’s all based on lies. Also we don’t have to subscribe to a movement to fight for equality. Feminism has hurt both men and women. It puts women down and says that we’ll never be good enough so we become victims. They also demonize all men based on the actions of a few bad apples. I don’t want to be part of a movement that ridiculed anyone. They also act as if white men and women have more privilege. Here’s a hint. We don’t. We all have advantages and disadvantages in our lives. As an example, I’m disabled. I have a lot of trouble with stuff like motor skills, but I’m great at many other things like art. When someone says you have privilege, they just want something to whine about. And that’s what feminists do a lot which is why I’m not associating myself with them.

Also feminism can’t seem to agree on what it’s goal is. You have the TERFs, the sex positive and the sex negative feminists all under the same label. PICK ONE MY GOD! A lot of the stuff that they claim to fight for, we already have. I’m also pissed that it’s ruining my favorite hobby which is video games. Screw you Anita Sarkeesian!

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[–]Gameperson7001 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah.

[–]DepravedWalnut0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Amen to that!

[–]troublemakr16 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy

I am from australia and im female and 17 years old and all i see on my local news shoes are presenters who still seem to present this idea that women are oppressed and face hardships purely based on their gender that a man would never have to go through just because he's a man. All i see is this idea and i couldn't disagree more with all their viewpoints, i have lived 17 years and i have never once experienced any hardships JUST because im a female, maybe i haven't lived long enough but i find it very hard to believe that many of the females especially from my generation and country would face many hard ships JUST because of their gender so i hate that the media makes it seem like women are oppressed, we are not. Just pure facts, men live shorter lives and currently have higher suicide rates, men could have their lives and careers ruined by a women saying she's been sexually assaulted by them when in some cases, the accusations are completely false, but everyone believes the woman anyway.Don't even get me started with feminists levels of double standards... Any white man expresses an opinion on feminism that they don't like "your opinion doesn't matter because you're a privileged white male." This doesn't even scratch the surface on all the things that i disagree with

[–]jackthepizzaman[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yes thank you, that's the problem that I have with feminism to I hate the hipocrasy and the fact that when I disprove theyr arguments they call me a sexist misogynistic white male and that is so stupid. They claim to want equality but theyr actions show me something different

[–]ewanalbion1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I personally haven’t been called a privileged white male yet, but 2 other friends have been called it, yet one is black so, well they have the intelligence of a tomato. The entire point of feminism nowadays is how much power can they gain and abuse

[–]jackthepizzaman[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have been called a privileged white male countless times in threads in instagram because they cant argue against my facts and opinions. The facts that they cant eaven defend themselves says something abought theyr movement (which is not needed anymore)

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[–]jackthepizzaman[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Thanks for the response, I totally agree with the things you say. I remember one time when me and my class where talking abought college (I'm 16 male) the teacher said that if you are part of a minority like black, Hispanic, or women ( not a minority) you have a larger possibility of making it into the school because of affirmative action and I think that shit is rasist and sexist. From personal experience I have seen exactly what you are talking abought, like one time when I was with my old GF she was abusive and one time that I blocked her hit (it apparently hurt her) she started screaming and everyone took her side and when I was pleading my case one of her friends that is a feminazi but claims to want equality said "she can hit you because she is a woman and you cant because you are a man". And I think that's fucking BS. That's for you're response.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

They say they stand for equality but do nothing but drag down and hate not only men but WOMEN who may disagree with them. They are all so over emotional you can't even have a conversation. triggered feminist my be an over used term but it's true. There is so much tacked on to it you have to support now too, not all i agree with. Now ik not all are like this, but the majority are. And i have nothing wrong with the theory of feminism , but we as women should be supporting and helping ALL women. And i think feminism's fight should be turned to fight for the women who are ACTUALLY oppressed in other countries.

[–]DrByNight1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

This may be an unpopular opinion, both here and there, but I reject feminism because I strongly believe in gender roles. I feel women are more nurturing and create a lovely home, and men are stronger and can protect and provide for me and my children.

I believe women should have equal rights when it comes to abuse, protection, and equal pay for equal work, but in the household I choose for myself, my husband is the leader, and I will follow his lead and do what he says.

Feminists should respect that this is my choice as a woman to be submissive and embrace traditional gender roles.

[–]jackthepizzaman[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That is very true, the thing that feminists dont understand or dont want to accept is the biology and the scientific facts that we are better at different things.

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[–]jackthepizzaman[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Il make sure to check it out

[–]WoofMonster2071 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

When I was a middle schooler I realized that men can experience sexism too and femenists were making woman more powerful, not making everyone equal.



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