Is Being Morally Good The Good?

AvailableRow1791 · 2021-02-25T15:32:13+00:00

Most people in nowadays society, especially women prefer the victim part and if you actually try to help them out of decency they will despise you as you will break their role.

It's best to be morally grey, this goes long way for good people that want to do ''the right thing'' - I had tried to help people and it always backfired be it at work, be it in life - if someone truly needs help he will reach out in private, not brag like drama queen about it.

AshyLarry27 · 2021-02-25T14:37:50+00:00

We're caught at interesting crossroads with philosophy, especially when discussing morals. It is some of the tremendous work of most philosophers that facilitates are ability to think beyond the surface about life, situations, and people. You look at life differently, you become more aware of things, you challenge things more.

As you note, most philosophers try to find a consistent framework for their morals, and I think this is where things get interesting. It is sold as if by having a consistent moral framework, you are a more elevated being, because you can approach situations from the most logical and moral position. As you also point out, TRP's more "a-moral" take on life has also opened a plethora of doors that moral philosophers never seemed to have the right keys to unlock.

Ultimately, the take home message is moderation. Use philosophy to exercise and challenge your brain, make you think, and that is it. You offer a great list of philosophers at the end who can help accomplish this. A moral framework may make you feel more consistent and whole, but this feeling is only as fulfilling as the moment you run into the intangible barriers of life. The "nice guy finish last"-esque moments.

arakouzo · 2021-02-25T15:28:59+00:00

Why not tie this post into The Red Pill somehow?

ItsDantesWorld · 2021-02-25T20:29:03+00:00

the Greek Philosophy that speaks of virtue and how to be good

Reminds me of Aristotle. In his Nicomachean Ethics, he explores what it means to be a virtuous man. At the end he concludes that the path to happiness is through philosophic study, and embodiment of virtuous living.

I believe that is the path for most men, because in the end, his virtues were contingent with living as a good man and productive member of a society.

You bring up Nietzsche, and my understanding of his will to power, is that a man will use whatever means necessary to impose his will over the world -- do anything to achieve his goals, innocents be damned. In his Genealogy of Morals, he clearly states how he sees those who are meek and innocent by nature, like rabbits, are merely weaklings, where as those who are ruthless and murderous by nature, are wild and untamed lions. The man who is capable of great violence yet can restrain himself is the most "human". However, these third types of men have to be willing to get dirty, to do "evil" in order to achieve their goals -- and then we question what really is "good" and "evil"?

Most of the Greeks believed there were concrete definitions of what is good or evil, yet I find Nietzsche to use Protagoras's definition -- what may appear evil to you may be good for me, but ultimately one action is truly evil.

I interpret that to mean: Murder is always an evil act, yet there are some instances where it was a good choice to murder someone, like a serial killer.

Both Nietzsche and Evola assert that should we form our own moral codes, we cannot ever live in an evil manner because we are the determinant of our own morals. Gangsters are killers, but they are not evil because they follow their own rule of spare the kids.

To conclude, I say yes, being morally good is good for our mental and spiritual health, only if the morals we abide by are of our own creation, and not morals forced upon us from outside influences.

adam-l · 2021-02-25T16:13:11+00:00

I've figured out that nobody really gives a fuck about you, nobody!

You've probably skipped Epicurus. Mistake.

what_cube · 2021-02-25T20:45:24+00:00

My main moral compass is to don't actively pursuing a plate that has a boyfriend who I know of.

Red-Pill-Redemption · 2021-02-25T18:49:46+00:00

Morally good according to what standard? The morality society has taught you, or a higher, objective morality? In regards to your post, yes, it makes sense to be sort of morally good relative to society’s standards. In the case of the latter, it is always good to be morally good.

urbanfoh · 2021-02-25T18:55:32+00:00

I've found that in a hyper moral world where every deed must be morally, ethically justified, egoism is a very refreshing trait.

Most people who start in TRP have to learn that is is okay to treat themselves first. Any conception of morality makes you inevitably prone to manipulation as morality is seldom consistent in itself.

But putting yourself first gives you a clear roadmap in the short term and on another note women seem to respond quite well to confident egoism. A woman is bound by their social circle to act "right", men have the ability to go their own way and gather ressources for themselves (and potential families)

libal444 · 2021-02-25T19:51:27+00:00

You absolutely need morals. Your morals are a compass with which you can traverse the field that is life. You need to be able to distinguish what is right and wrong to take the correct decision in the choices you are presented with everyday.

The questions becomes whether what is right/wrong for you is the same for everyone else. Is there an objective morally good that you need to strive for ? Is it morally good to take decisions that benefit you to the detriment of others, some would say yes, some no.

I think everybody needs to have a moral compass and strive to do right by it. I also think that you need to make that compass yourself though.

awihsoj · 2021-02-25T20:16:21+00:00

Any philosophical books you can reccomend that demonstrates what your talking about? Or even better the direct sources where you got this from if you remeber?

Title	Is Being Morally Good The Good?
Author	rudybasd
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Date	February 25, 2021 1:31 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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