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Axxril_ · 2020-01-31T09:53:14+00:00

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January 31, 2020

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Title	You guys..
Author	Axxril_
Upvotes	1
Comments	52
Date	January 31, 2020 9:53 AM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW2
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MGTOW2/comments/ewm6kg/you_guys/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MGTOW2/you-guys.810723 https://theredarchive.com/post/810723

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[–]carter_pride28 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

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[–]gantz_au16 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Continue with comments like that here and the same shit will happen here.

It's interesting how an event like this can drive people to self-censor themselves as a survival method.

On a related topic, I've watched a lot of YouTube channels self-censor themselves in many different ways trying to figure out a way to keep their channels alive.

The only thing that ends up happening is that YouTube tightens their grip around the YouTuber's throats, making them sensor themselves more and more, controlling their speech even more.

And that's the crux of the issue here, the idea of controlling speech so that you're trained to say only things that people who have power over you allow you to say in the first place.

For someone like me, who values the idea of freedom of speech, even if it's offensive speech, even if it's speech that I don't agree with, I find the entire concept of self-censoring due to outside pressure to be disturbing to say the least.

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[–]gantz_au2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

The problem is that the moderators of /r/mgtow were doing a really good job at deleting posts that advocated for violence of any kind on anyone.

Usually, those posts came from fresh accounts used for trolling purposes, and yes, from the odd member who was too deep into the red pill rage phase as well. However, the moderators did their job.

So many times over the years, whenever I happened to find a post where someone said something that was against the reddit rules, I'd post something along the lines of "you're an idiot, don't do that" then find that when I hit reply, the thread had been deleted by a moderator.

I remember having a discussion with other folks in /r/mgtow about this several times, about how the subreddit will eventually be quarantined.

We came to the conclusion that even if the moderators kept the subreddit within the bounds of the reddit rules, which they did, the big reason why /r/mgtow will be quarantined will have more to do with the number of members and active members than anything else.

Being noticed by too many people is what quarantined /r/mgtow ultimately.

[–]pug_nuts-1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]gantz_au2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I understand your point.

Another example would be if it is allowed for someone to yell "fire!" in a crowded theatre when there is no fire.

I think the line for both is if the intent to cause harm from the action taken can be proven.

As for what goes on in this subreddit, I agree that this subreddit has its own rules that should be followed and I'm not here to say otherwise.

To explain, my initial post was more an observation of what can result when you do something like quarantine the /r/mgtow subreddit rather than a defense of the post that person was replying to.

The act of quarantining /r/mgtow is similar to the example I gave about YouTube's tight grip around the necks of its content creators. It has been long established that controlling speech is a very powerful method of oppression. From the experiences I've had over my lifetime, despite the fact that I don't agree with some of the things said in /r/mgtow, I still can't agree with the attempt to silence the people in there.

I also don't agree with the assertion that MGTOW is an equal opposite to /r/gendercritical. Anyone who has so much mentioned harming women or wanting them to die has been promptly banned from my experience. Usually these posts tend to come from fresh accounts that are most likely trolling as well.

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[–]LesterBurnham971 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

You are right about freedom of speech. I am from Germany and believe me in the western world there are not many countries with a more oppressed speech than we have.

But you are missing a few points here in this particular situation.

- MGTOW2 was founded to "ignore" issues with women in the first place. It is about Male life after choosing to GYOW. Look up in the rules of the sub. Even though this comment is funny it is something the average Redditor will get pissed off by, because Reddit is at least 80% simpy soy vegan trans loving faggots and if our society would still be true darwinistic i would wipe the floor with them but hey we are in clown world now.

- The second point you are missingis that even though Reddit is a site everybody can visit it is more like a private club of the owners. And they set the rules. If you disagree with those rules you are free to leave the site but you have no right to try to change their rules. Or said differently you do not tell anybody what he has to do in his own house.

So if you consider what i said you get why i think it is dumb to put up such comments. No offense to anyone even though i really like to get in fights with others ;) but not this time.

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[–]gantz_au1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

The problem with the notion of "unpopular opinion that might have undesirable consequences" is the ability to fabricate lies in order to make it seem like a group of people is expressing unpopular opinion that might have undesirable consequences.

For example, the common perception people tend to have of "Men Going Their Own Way" as being woman haters who want to harm and control women.

While hate of some kind is involved due to the effect of the red pill rage stage, it is something that a lot of men in /r/mgtow are going through a process to overcome. A lot of times, they do end up getting over this hate. However, the hate during this stage isn't just directed toward women, often time it's directed toward society, culture, other men and even back towards one's self.

The fact that any kind of hate exists in the process of going one's own way for a lot of men is used to mark all men who go their own way as being something dangerous that should be stamped out.

/r/mgtow2 exists as an example of men trying to get away from being marked as such.

However, I've been posting in /r/mgtow for a long time now, and I've noticed that there are so many men who post there that eventually find their way out of the red pill rage stage and realise that it's pointless to hate societies, cultures, men, women, themselves.

Eventually, a lot of people there find some kind of clarity and are able to move forward. However, the fact that /r/mgtow was gaining members at an increasing rate meant that the activity of negative posts rose along with it.

I still don't see that as a bad thing because there was still plenty of people in there who helped others along the process.

Of course, none of this matters because, as far as anyone outside is concerned, they've decided that anyone who is MGTOW are bad people and the lies and misrepresentations about them are upheld.

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