Hi,

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I'm a frequent lurker in MGTOW original subreddit. I just don't get the hatred anymore. I mean, You can be disappointed in women, and society, but there's no point in getting mad at women. At the least, I had red pill rage for the last 2 years. And it was tough figuring it out.

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I got over my rage phase now, in the last 6 months, and taken rational approach to everything. And logic and discussions. I was discussing with a fellow mgtow in the original subreddit, about the psychological shaming hedge that used to hover over women in the ancient times, to prevent them from cheating or committing adultery. The one we talked about was Mackenzie Bezos got a divorce from Jeff and gotten $36 billions dollars. This mgtow fellow was saying she was loyal throughout and indeed deserve much money from Jeff. I was just saying she's not loyal. She's faithful to the end. There's a difference.

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Up until Jeff cheated.

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I just explained the reasons as to why she was faithful, and not loyal, before one of mods delete my comments on ancient society kept women in check. I was in no way rooting For Mackenzie for divorce settlement and neither was I rooting for Jeff. He shouldn't have cheated on her.

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The guy I was discussing with, did give all basic facts on Mackie's marriage and business prospect on Amazon. It was an interesting take, and it was very good points.

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I was just pointing pout that women like Mackie, even if considered an NAWALTs, isn't likely as loyal. Because the psychological shaming hedge has diminished over time, so it's up to women's basic choice to be respectable and faithful. For example, women in ancient time, has had the society shamed them, and kept them in check, so women has had death scare of being rooted out with no community to back up on her own, or actually stoned by death for adultery. (it wasn't just the women, it was also men, as well.) But most likely women. To keep them in check.

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I was explaining Mackie's possible reasons to being faithful to Jeff. And it's not because she is love in with him. Women can love a man but not in love with, after number of years. Not only that, but she could also be non-feminist, one reason why she could be faithful. Women are not naturally loyal, unless self taught or have psychological shaming hedge over them to prevent cheating and be loyal to their men.

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Mackenzie might a rare exception, because she didn't cheat on Jeff and did faithfully follow Jeff to point of blooming business of Amazon and her marriage (until Jeff cheated). But I wouldn't say loyal. Women nowadays have been saying "loyal", of without much thought of proving to your partner, you're actually loyal. I have seen this over the dating sites, and it's the same thing.

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It depend in what decade you're in, and most of young women, raised in early 2000s, now in their mid-20s and late-20s, say they're loyal. NO, they're not.

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"Watch, what they say; not what they do".

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So, Mackenzie might rare exception, because she belong to a different decade. We do not have women like her. In fact, there's no Unicorns.

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