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While it may have a pro-female bias (shock, horror), I think books "When Men Behave Badly" (link to Steve Pinker's review) seems an important milestone in getting rid of the radical reductionism that gender is 100% nurture. Problems are unlikely to be fixed if we deny a large part of their cause.

SokalDidNothingWrong

July 6, 2021
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https://quillette.com/2021/04/30/when-men-behave-badly-a-review/
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Title While it may have a pro-female bias (shock, horror), I think books "When Men Behave Badly" (link to Steve Pinker's review) seems an important milestone in getting rid of the radical reductionism that gender is 100% nurture. Problems are unlikely to be fixed if we deny a large part of their cause.
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Date July 6, 2021 6:25 AM UTC
(5 years ago)
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[–]mikesteane 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The idea that gender is 100% nurture is only held by fools and has been well and truly falsified. Getting rid of it requires firstly that they relinquish folly.

[–]LastRounder 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Meh, that statement, that gender is nurture, is just a result if overall induced ignorance.

[–]Banake 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

A large part of their cause is not 'blankslatism', it is the women are wonderful effect that people such as Pinker and Buss demonstrate. Pinker said that we don't need more shelters for abused men in his book, and I doubt that Buss would even say something about the subject. Whatever your opinion about gender diferences are, saying that this book will help the cause is shooting at your own foot and say that you are treating your ingrown toenail.

[–]SokalDidNothingWrong[S] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

The problem with blankslatism is that it creates a utopian fantasy that if we just stop toxic masculinity then every problem will magically go away, so you can claim that things that effect women are super-double-plus-ungood because they're not just a problem to be reduced, they're the very root cause of all evil.

Blank slatism is an excuse to take the existing women are wonderful bias to an extreme. With blank slatism, you no longer have to argue that women are higher on the priority list for shelters, you can now claim that they're literally the only victims who matter since it's the systemic problems (i.e. the ones that women face) that need fixing.

Bias is always a problem (and I suspect WaW will always exist to some extent) but it's much more of a problem when people are delusional.

[–]Banake 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

As if "men are naturally agressive" and "women are natural caretakers" wasn't used to deny the need for shared parenthood or that women commit domestic violence (you know, the thing that the book you recommended says, the thing that Pink said.) Sociobiology was used to defend the WaW idea as much as blankslatism.

[–]SokalDidNothingWrong[S] 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

When sociobiology is wrong, it can be shown to be wrong. Science is self-correcting eventually.

[–]Banake 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, and I am showing you that this book is wrong by pointing out that women also rape and commit domestic abuse.

[–]Banake 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

(It is this kind of thing that makes me aggressive to the 'blankslatism is the cause of the problems of men' mindset.)

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