People who respond to a cultures misandry and sexism by saying there is nothing you can do to change it don’t care enough about their dads, brothers and presumably some friends.

Accomplished_GoalY · 2021-05-12T02:28:13+00:00

This is by far one of the most insulting and gynocentric things I have ever read.

People who respond to a culture's misogyny and sexism with "Well it's been like that for centuries, nothing you can do to change it" are just saying they don't care enough about women to make a change.

Women are by far more misandrist [Source], sexist [Source] than men.

It's a bit more difficult for women to lead sexually active lifestyles because they have the risk of getting pregnant, while men do not. Women also have to deal with menstruation. Should people just therefore say "welp sorry to hear about that, not much we can do since it's just biology :/ I guess you shouldn't have sex"?

No, we create birth control methods so that women don't have to worry. We create tampons, pads, and menstrual cups so women can go about their days without letting their period stop them.

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Health issues related to men literally get 1/3rd the funding of issues related to women. This is despite the fact that men are more likely to die because of their gender at every age, to the point that despite biologically far more men being born than women by around age 30 so many men die that men become the minority. Overall men end up dying 5 years earlier. This isn't an innate biological quirk either. Men who receive similar lifestyle and healthcare privilege as women live about as long as women. In total at least 1 in 50 men will die simply because of things forced upon them by their gender, which women do not face.

Of course the problem here is women, who after already receiving the overwhelming majority of attention, don't have enough done for them.

This is a disgusting viewpoint. It's obvious that this person couldn't give less of a damn about people's well being. She clearly is only capable of recognizing that women's problems exist, even when those problems already overwhelmingly favor women.

And yet, many people refuse to change the misogynistic norms of a culture/society because "it's been like that for centuries, what can we do?" Change itself takes years, decades, centuries. No culture or society is changed overnight. But everyone needs to participate (even in the smallest of ways) in order for change to occur. You don't have to be some sort of activist; but just spreading more equality-focused beliefs is even enough.

Is this a joke? This person just clearly established she does not care about equality at all. This post isn't about equality, it's completely one sided and seeks to widen the equality gap further. If she cared about equality she would be looking to help the most egregious victims of inequality, men.

So when people say that it's difficult to change a culture that's plagued with misogyny and sexism, and therefore we shouldn't change it because that's how it's been for the past few centuries, they're really just saying "I recognize that women are suffering in this culture; I don't care enough about women to make a change."

Women on balance don't suffer due to sexism. Sexism is provably designed to give women incomprehensible amounts of female privilege. The suffering that happens due to sexism towards women is almost entirely a consequence of externalities related to being privileged. This insane conspiracy theorist simply wants female privilege squared, where women have massive advantages, and then on top of that have all the consequences of those massive advantages eliminated.

Any change—big or small— is impactful. I’m not asking for anyone to drop everything and become activists, join protests, donate, write a book, force sexist people to change, etc. These are things that not even I do or plan to do. What I AM saying is that even the smallest steps matter. Having discussions with others about sexism/misogyny is change. Being a father and cooking dinner + changing your child’s diaper is even viewed as a huge change in some cultures.

Extensive government data shows that mothers do significantly less combined paid and unpaid labor and commuting than fathers, yet studies shockingly show that women think men don't contribute enough work to households. If this person actually wanted to combat sexism she would encourage women to do the most difficult and dangerous jobs that risk death and lower their lifespan, give the money to men, and then give men the privilege of doing the minority of combined household work as reparations, instead of having this scenario be a primary predictor of relationships ending. She doesn't give a flying freak about sexism, and simply wants more female privilege via rights without responsibilities.

The source of women more often making dinner and changing diapers is the fact men do 70% more paid work than women in marriage. So instead of teaching women to do more paid work and be more accepting of getting less from men, she wants to teach men to do more unpaid work while making zero change to what studies show women have an extreme expectation of from men. This is utterly disgraceful.

Being respectful to women regardless of how they dress, and encouraging others to do the same. These are just smell steps that, in the end, produce a large impact.

Again we have rights without responsibilities. People aren't as respectful of how women dress because women get more attention for simply being born female, and woman fervently demand this. Except here they want privilege squared. They want attention without the consequences of attention.

Here's a brilliant idea on how to fix this being a gendered issue. Teach people to worship men's appearance like we do women's. This is really simple, and by far the most direct way to end sexism here and guaranteeing equality. Of course this was never really about equality or ending sexism was it? It's about having your cake and eating it too.

I plan to make a change by raising my future children differently. While my mother never taught or expected my brother to cook/clean, I will expect my future son (if I have one) to cook/clean. I am not going to force old people in my family to change. I am not going to force ANYONE to change. I am going to live my life peacefully and make a change by passing down more equality-focused beliefs.

Oh and are you going to raise your daughters to do strenuous, dangerous, and deadly jobs? Are you going to teach your daughters to earn 70% more money than men? Are you going to teach your daughters to accept a partner who makes less money than them and worship them simply for being born?

You aren't living life peacefully, you are committing a crime against humanity to give women more female privilege absent of responsibilities. You innately hate men and only seek to oppress them. You couldn't give less of a damn about equality.

yoitsericc · 2021-05-11T17:41:19+00:00

I'm fine with this but there is a male component here too that is being ignored entirely as is always the case with feminism.

Modern women want to be modern women, that's fine, but the opposite also has to be true. Why are men only judged by their earnings, height, etc? Why are men disproportionately less empathized with than women?

Also there are limitations to what we can change and can't. We might be able to operate on people, but there is hardly a realistic chance we could repair every part of the human body perfectly regardless of the damage.

Similarly, men are men and women are women so some inherent differences or as she refers to it as, misogyny, will always exist. The question is can we accept it and move forward or do we choose to change it and if so, to what degree do we move to change it on the male side? We are half the population.

only_the_office · 2021-05-11T20:10:38+00:00

Wait who’s been saying there’s nothing we can do about misogyny?? This is a classic strawman/tilting at windmills argument by the original poster.

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