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What are TRPs thoughts on false-rape allegations

PIBagent

November 27, 2013
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Title What are TRPs thoughts on false-rape allegations
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PIBagent

Upvotes 6
Comments 19
Date November 27, 2013 6:06 PM UTC
(12 years ago)
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Comments

[–]VivalaVeritas11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

My thoughts on false rape allegations can be summed up in one word; disgusting. When someone intentionally falsely accuses someone of rape they do three things: destroy the accused's reputation almost irrevocably, tarnish people's faith in the justice system, and erode the legitimacy of future rape allegations made by others (Which in IMO is the most asshole thing someone can do when they make a false rape claim).

What can an RP'er do when falsely accused of rape? First off, never get involved with emotionally unstable women. I've been there and done that, had a few pregnancy scares, and had women threaten to kill themselves. Trust me, sticking your dick in crazy is never a good idea.

Make sure to have a little outing with your partner after you've had sex, e.g. go to pick up some skittles or ice cream, and make sure she is seen with you. My favorite thing, is to go get something to eat afterwards at a sit down restaurant, shoot the shit for a while and then go our separate ways. This not only shows your innocence (Why would a victim of such a heinous crime hang around the perpetrator?) but has the added benefit of getting something on your stomach after blowing your load multiple times. Seriously I cannot recommend this enough, as being seen in public with your accuser after you supposedly raped them is damning to their case.

Lastly, and most importantly, ask her to text you when she gets home. Worry about her safety, and tell her to text you once she gets home. She'll more than likely do this, as she is pleased to know you care about her safe passage home. Once she texts you, tell her you had a good time, and she'll probably respond that she did as well. Once she's done this, you're done, because no victim in their right mind would ever text their rapist back telling them how great of a time they had.

And that's about it really. I don't recommend recording your sexual escapades as I feel it wholly unnecessary, considering for the price of a pack of skittles, and a short text message you can be absolved of rape allegations.

EDIT: Forgot to include this; if you are falsely accused of rape and the police become involved, cut off all contact with your accuser (Seriously), lawyer up, and remember that you didn't do shit so you have nothing to worry about. Admit to nothing, don't sign anything, don't say shit, be patient, and remember the most important thing; you are innocent. The police will try to get you to admit to a crime especially when they have no evidence against you, so keep your mouth shut and don't be intimidated by their promises of putting you under the prison. It is my sincerest hope you never have to use this advice, but if you do just stay calm and lawyer up.

[–]PIBagent[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

When someone intentionally falsely accuses someone of rape they do three things: destroy the accused's reputation almost irrevocably, tarnish people's faith in the justice system, and erode the legitimacy of future rape allegations made by others (Which in IMO is the most asshole thing someone can do when they make a false rape claim).

None of which matters to a woman who has a meal ticket on the line.

Your ideas on how to handle false allegations are good; but do you use them every time your with a woman? I'm willing to bet you don't (could be wrong of course). A woman can claim rape 2 hours or two weeks after the fact, so long as she can prove that you had sex with her. How much do you trust the girls you have slept with to not screw you over for a payout?

[–]VivalaVeritas0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

but do you use them every time your with a woman?

Admittedly, when I first started consistently bagging chicks, no. Now that I've stirred my dick around in crazy a few times, abso-fuckin-lutely I do this every time.

A woman can claim rape 2 hours or two weeks after the fact, so long as she can prove that you had sex with her. How much do you trust the girls you have slept with to not screw you over for a payout?

Yes a woman could do this, but as time goes on, the legitimacy of her claim erodes, as any good detective will ask why she waited so long to report the crime. And if the case is brought to court, any good defense lawyer will invariably ask the accuser the same questions in front of a jury.

And remember, the beautiful thing about justice in this country (No matter how FUBAR it may be at times), it's not your job to prove how innocent you are, it's their job to prove that you're guilty. Because, when it comes down to a he said- she said, with no physical evidence supporting the prosecution, the case usually gets thrown out.

[–]DeckofLuckyStrikes2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

College rape-accusations are definitely the most defamatory and difficult to defend. Many top--tier private universities utilize a system where whoever has more witnesses on their side prevails.

Consider this example:

College Girl A (CGA) just got PUAed by what she thought was a "nice guy" (NG), but after a pump and dump left her feeling upset and used. Now, rather than go to authorities, CGA goes to her local women's center, because that's what she has been conditioned to do since orientation. At most women's centers, a girl who feels she has been used and isn't happy with what happened will talk to a counselor there. The counselor will them impose her own agenda. Questions such as "did you feel pressure to have sex? Did you feel like NG's behavior pressured you? Did you want things to escalate?

Now this is all fine and dandy, and I'd argue acceptable answers questions to ask a girl who's confused about her own biological imperatives. But then, depending on the answers CGA gave, the counselor will ask if she wants to go forward and press a rape charge through the school.

Again, if she thinks she was raped, whatever. But judicial policies differ within a private university versus the outside world. So then the process begins where the NG is guilty until proven innocent. That is a near impossible charge to beat. So here come the witnesses in a long, arduous trial process where instead of he said she said, it becomes Her friends vs his friend.

CGA usually wins the trial, but I've known a few cases of totally innocent guys making it out alright. Of course, reputation's stick.

[–]VivalaVeritas2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

As for college, that's an entirely different ball game friend. There was a sorry excuse for a human being that claimed a guy sexually assaulted her, but it turned out not to be true. The reputation stuck though and I think he ended up changing schools. It's sad that this is the state of our Universities in the US, but remember what I said initially; stay away from emotionally unstable girls. An ounce of prevention is worth a ton of the cure.

[–]DeckofLuckyStrikes0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It takes some experience, and lots of self-control, to not stick dick in crazy. Worst yet (though I don't think I personally know of any cases like this) are people who've never had sex claiming rape. Crazy shit. Burden of proof is crazy and justice shouldn't depend on the judge, but the law.

tl;dr: don't fuck crazies, but if you do use her texting obsession to your advantage.

[–]fruitofmyloom-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Here is the reason I record everything: after sex I just want her to leave. All the other shit is too taxing for me. I usually don't text them for a few days after anyway.

[–]christiefrontdrive 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

This is just parroting some other things I've read in older posts on TRP, but it answers some of your questions all the same (and like OP said, assuming cameras/microphones are not an option for whatever reason): one strategy is that whenever possible, be in a social setting with the woman in question before any form of sex takes place. Be around friends (preferably yours, not hers) who can back you up. Be around people who can go to bat for you and say that she was enthusiastic when she left the club/bar/whatever with you. Be around people who could truthfully tell an investigator this girl was all over you all night. Remember the name of the cabbie that drove you two to her house and saw her all over you in the back seat. Hell, if you really want to cover your ass, you could go out of your way to make sure she's seen with you having a good time: invite a buddy over for an hour or drop in for a quick visit at a friend's house if you really feel it's needed.

Another strategy (again, this is just stuff I've read in older posts on this sub, not personal ideas) is to have a paper trail as a back-up plan. Some more experienced TRP gentleman will be able to expand on this for you, but the basic idea is to have emails, text messages, voice messages and other forms of communication where she states she "enjoyed last night" or "had a great time with you" or some other statement like that. You can steer conversations both before and after having sex with her in this direction and potentially save your ass big time if she ever tries to claim it was not consensual. I would assume that making a hard copy (printing on paper) of any texts, emails, etc. is a smart move as well. If you're put off by a girl and think she might try something like this in any way, the more you save the better.

Imagine you bed a girl tonight, and six months from now she's claiming you forced yourself on her and she was unwilling, and you produce:

  • several texts from her from the next day, thanking you for the night
  • anticipatory texts from the day in question, looking forward to the night
  • a voice message she left for you in the days following sex showing she enjoyed herself
  • Skype/IM conversations/emails that show she was genuinely interested in you and totally consenting
  • Testimony from friends that saw her all over you that night

I can't give any legal advice nor do I know how those kinds of things would hold up in court if it got that far, but I do know that this kind of evidence is a lot fucking better than "No your Honor, she was totally into it".

[–]fruitofmyloom3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

I record every fuck, save every text. The implication of making a false police report is much greater than recording everything in my own house. I also make a recording of myself telling them that my house is wired for sound and records everything (excuse: the last guy who lived here set it up.) That way, they consented.

One girl actually implied that she would tell everyone she didn't want to have sex. I sent her a recording of her saying "Please fruitofmyloom, squeeze my neck again", nexted and blocked her.

Moral of the story is to always fuck at your own place.

Edit: based on what other posters in the thread said, the "I didn't rape you" text is a good idea as well.

[–]ilovemyself101-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wow what a nut job, your a smart man. That's pretty insane

[–]fruitofmyloom0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I like crazy chicks but you gotta know how to deal.

[–]icallmyselfmonster2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I have a spy cam on my keyring, just like a fob, costs less than 5USD and the quality is pretty good.

One click, throw my keys down and get busy. I wouldn't use it in every situation but I would have to use my judgment. If girls are hitting on me hard and escalates too quickly I would consider it, but I haven't used it as yet.

[–]PIBagent[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

There are instances where the judge might throw out the evidence based on the way it was obtained or do so on the grounds that it is incomplete evidence , the fact that you did it secretly will be called into question and could ultimately be used as a way to dismiss the evidence altogether (after all the judge isn't on your side and the prosecutor has more interest in getting a conviction than getting to the truth).

[–]noblepaladin 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The real value of such footage is to prevent it from getting that far in the first place. She will probably back down from the allegations if you tell here there is a tape, and you let her back off without losing face (i.e. you tell her that the tape will never surface if she doesn't talk about you ever again and that you never see each other ever again). It's basically nuclear deterrent because you can destroy all her social network with that tape (even if it might not hold in the court of law), and the safer course of action would be to abandon the false allegations. I don't like the idea of secret taping, because that is an invasion of privacy. But I can understand why someone would do it.

[–]icallmyselfmonster0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Not in the US fortunately.

And even before it gets to the judges, at least its there. It might be enough for her to recount. Irrespective of how it was obtained.

[–]PIBagent[S] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

remember that in the given scenario she has a lot riding on you taking the fall and has no intention of backtracking as it would cause her to lose everything (both you and the resource her beta boyfriend provides). recounting would be unlikely in this scenario.

And I would say it goes double for the US. Think about malls, gas station, and other places where they record you; they usually give some indication that you are being recorded (either via a mounted TV or a sign blatantly telling you are being recorded). Now why would they do that? hint: it's NOT because they are being polite or considerate.

[–]Manuel_S0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pay her breakfast. Keep the bill.

[–]Hokuten85-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Attempt to get a text message of some sorts after that indicates that she wanted it to happen. This is about the best you can realistically do. Potentially have some kind of auto recorder for after the fact where you can prompt her for a response. Recording the act seems like it would be dangerous.

[–]trudatness -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm glad I'm married.

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