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insane report entirely ignores men or boys. In the text insert things like alimony or jail (among a myriad of other issues men face) and I wonder how these pages get written at all.

laptopdragon

October 10, 2020
39 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/29-million-girls-women-victims-of-modern-slavery-report-1.5140741
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Title insane report entirely ignores men or boys. In the text insert things like alimony or jail (among a myriad of other issues men face) and I wonder how these pages get written at all.
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laptopdragon

Upvotes 39
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Date October 10, 2020 11:15 PM UTC
(5 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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[–]Long-Chair-7825 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Somewhere between 30-50% of modern slaves are male, depending on the statistic used. And most of those don't count things like prison labor.

[–]laptopdragon[S] 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

exactly my point.
there isn't any study (afaik) that includes men and the apparent legal enslavement (as mostly seen in prison labor).

Also, brings up the question of after men get a conviction they can basically never earn their value in antyhing they ever do, if they can even find an employer that will hire them.

[–]Long-Chair-7825 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Which causes them to commit crime to survive which lands them back in prison. But even without including prison labor and drafts, men are still 30-50% of modern slaves.

[+]jogaroundtheblock7 -7 points-6 points-5 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Who are enslaving men? Other men.

[–]Long-Chair-7825 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Even if that's true(it might not be but it isn't worth arguing), so what? Is it ok for women to be enslaved as long as they are victimized by women?

[+]egalitarianfox1 points 5 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol this guys doesn't care.

look at this comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/j8of3f/the_insane_female_privilege_of_getting_shorter/g8ew3yd/?context=3. I have been arguing with this troll for DAYS.

[–]Long-Chair-7825 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why do I keep falling for these trolls? The ones that make stupid points about several different things?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In latin america, most sex traffickers are women according to the u.n

[–]IDontKnow54 -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The report says “In fact, women and girls account for nearly three quarters (71 per cent) of all victims of modern slavery. Although modern slavery affects everyone, there is no escaping that females are disproportionately affected.” The report is concerned with pinpointing why this is, so of course it focuses on women and girls.

I suppose you believe the fact that men pay much more alimony than women is indicative of men’s oppression. But considering the fact that on average working women make less than working men and when there is a stay at home parent, it is much more likely to be a woman it makes sense. Alimony is paid to the partner with less income and these two factors make women much more likely to have less income than husband.

In the case of jail, I would agree. But the problem is not that the number of women in jail should increase to meet the same proportion as men, but that we live in an excessively punitive system. Furthermore, I am confident the factors explaining why men are disproprtianately imprisoned are results of our society’s gender expectations. For example, men typically express emotion through anger while women express through sadness. Men are expected to provide by whatever means necessary. Both of these are probably factors in this phenomenon. What’s important to recognize is that feminism aims to dismantle these gender expectations that evidently affect both women and men, so if you want to advocate prison reform, you should advocate feminism.

[+]egalitarianfox1 points 5 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

https://www.theworldcounts.com/stories/Modern_Day_Slavery_Statistics

There are many different statistics out there, and ALL of them are estimates. Slavery may or may not disproportionately affect women. Also note that the 55% statistic is for "children" and well as women. This includes male children. Like I said, depending on what stat you use, you could actually show that slavery disproportionately affects men.

men typically express emotion through anger while women express through sadness

This is some toxic, sexist bullshit you are spewing. Both men and women express emotions in a variety of ways (including anger. That's right, women and men both express emotion through anger about equally), just that men express emotions less.

You are spewing more bullshit that "societal expectations" are causing men to go into the prison system. No, it is inbuilt bias against men, called internalized misandry that disproportionately makes judges sentence men longer for the same crimes (60% longer, in fact). In fact, if women were sentenced for the same length, and the same frequency as men are sentenced, the number of women in the prison system would increase drastically. Of course, we both want the opposite, so why don't we sentence men like we sentence women? Because people are biased against men, and believe them to be intrinsically "worse" than women after they commit the same crime. In fact, you too are guilty of this bias, since you assume that men are committing crimes more frequently than women are. You think the justice system is "right" to sentence men more than women but too punitive in general. Men in prison is 100% not a feminist issue, because feminists don't care about internalized and systemic misandry.

[+]IDontKnow54 -6 points-5 points-4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You are simply lying to yourself if you do not believe there are normalized gender roles in society. If you are a man and reflect on your own treatment by other men, you will surely see that expressions of anger are seen as more ‘normal’ than expressions of sadness. If you are a woman, from women I know and accounts I have read I know that expressions of sadness are seen as more ‘normal’ than expressions of anger. There are numerous studies that observe this — it is fact that these patterns exist in our society.

This is not to say they are natural: no man is born with a tendency to anger and no woman is born with a tendency to sadness.

In the instance you mention of a judge sentencing a man longer, it is internalized misandry in a sense. The judge views the man in a harsher capacity than his woman counterpart. But what is important to recognize is where this misandry is stemming from. No one is born with bias, it comes from being raised in a certain context, and in this case the context must be one with different gender expectations.

These gender expectations arose through much of history, and as we can see in the fact that many white men held and retained power through this period, these expectations served to benefit men. Do you dispute this?

If this seems plausible, we can then see how this gender expectation is part of a system that can harm both men and women but men not as much as women so as to keep on top. You can imagine that if freed from this system of gender expectations entirely (for men and women) everyone would be better off.

This freedom from the system of gender expectations is what feminists want. If you want this, you want feminists should be on the same team, not fighting. They may do some things you don’t agree with, but you must try to understand their perspective as valid as your own. There is common ground here.

[–]RockmanXX 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

you will surely see that expressions of anger are seen as more ‘normal’ than expressions of sadness

Yes, because anger is the result of neglect&injustice. It Is "normal" for Men to be angry because we are neglected.

This is not to say they are natural

No, it is completely natural. Men have no support structures, whatever support structures once existed for Men are long dead.

I have read I know that expressions of sadness are seen as more ‘normal’ than expressions of anger.

The image of an angry woman is as old as time, the phrase "hell has no Fury like a woman scorned" is at least 1000 years old, you're just bullshitting and making it seem like women are facing the same issues as Men, when they are not. Women are free to express every single emotion and it's acceptable by society.

white men held and retained power through this period,

You mean, ELITE white men who were 1% of the population? They still exist and they STILL have power. What the fuck does them being white or male have to do with anything? They are not well wishers of Men or White people.

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