I highly suggest that the members of this pathetic excuse for a subreddit read this article. Maybe you'll gain a few brain cells. Also Reddit should enforce a ban on this shitshow sub, jesus fuck
Anyone can blindly follow a false ideology because of underlying psychological issues. For example, you. If you had any amount of critical thinking/wisdom, you'd realize the inherent flaws within this group, and then leave it. You've been brainwashed, and I guess you didn't even realize it. Leave before it's too late. A guy not getting laid does not equate to "hur dur all women don't understand muh pain! Women are evil and I will fight for muh rights!" The unfortunate thing about Mens Rights activists is that many of your concerns are addressed and fought for by current wave Feminists, but you guys are so incredibly sexist that you refuse to read the actual literature and talking points that have been pushed by activists because feminists are generally women.
Okay so Micheal Kimmel being a creep makes your movement valid? I don't think that's how logic works buddy. There's still plenty of points in that article (and many other articles) that demonstrate how flawed this organization's approach to civil rights is. Also I strongly bet that the woman who wrote this would completely shit on this subreddit. Maybe if you actually read my replies to other comments here, you'd be a tad more educated. But whatever, you might've been brainwashed to the point of no return already. I certainly hope not.
Alright so I wasn't aware of Kimmel's transgressions until you brought it up. Even then, the points made in the Cracked article from the other contributors still stand. I mean did you even bother to read the whole thing? Of course not, because it counters your skewed worldview. And I highly doubt you've read many articles criticizing the MRA. It's perfectly logical to hear from the opposing side, otherwise known as gathering data. There doesn't have to be "opposition" having this battle-type mindset isn't going to get you very far in relations with women. You have built for yourself a foolish bias. Oh the obscure and rewarded ones you say? Wow, I didn't know we had a real sleuth on our hands here. Also I don't care for however many years you've studied social sciences. You hate on feminism just like every other moron here. By the way SCUM actually wouldn't be a bad motto for you guys. A bunch of white guys thinking they're oppressed in America. What a joke. Yes some court cases are unfair to men, and yes there is the raping of men as well. Does this warrant raising awareness? Sure. Does this mean that there should be an entire movement revolving around "fighting for a man's rights! We''re being silenced hurr durr!"? No, it's silly. Men have so many damn rights. Its almost as if they still mostly run many societies. What a complete shocker. Every post on this godforsaken subreddit has involved a circlejerk that doesn't get anything done. Also for thousands of years women have been persecuted and violated in many places, and yet I guess you want to ignore human history. But of course that would require you to "educate yourself" and I see that backfiring for you. We should collaborate in a healthy way that involves working with women. Also just because you've "studied for decades" doesn't make you correct. Look at Jordan Peterson, the man had a Phd and yet is a complete moron on so many topics. Ironic. You say you're not interested in taking a side and yet you very clearly are not willing to criticize this group. Nevermind, there's no convincing you, and I think you're definitely too far gone now.
Riiiiight, says the person who didn't even read it because it counters your flawed worldview. Maybe if you had actually read and absorbed what it said, you'd start criticizing your own organization. But of course that'd require you to have actual critical thinking skills. As opposed to trusting some sexist dudes on a subreddit, who are probably a bunch of white American guys. Who happen to be very very privileged with plenty of rights, but like to think they should have a movement? It's really stupid. There are issues with how men are raised and treated in our society but "rights" just simply isn't one of them.
I could site you God himself, and you'd still say he's full of shit. Face it, you've been brainwashed, and foolishly think that women are the source of your problems. But you probably won't admit it.
I am not blaming any genders at all. And if we're specifically talking about mens rights, then its your perception of women that is in fact the problem. You've fallen into the trap of this sad place. The issue is cultural. And blaming women is dooming yourselves because they can be the greatest ally and bringing to light real issues for men. Like the way under reported amount of sexual assaults and rape that happen to men. It's under reported because of very similar social pressures around sexual assault in general that both sexes have to deal with. They could unite rather then blame feminism. They could fucking rally together to fight the systems and cultural pressures in place so that they can be equal. There is enough rights to go around, "rights" are not in limited quantity. Just because women are fighting for more does not mean men get less. What a stupid movement. Please escape before its stupidity consumes you.
Oh yeah, Im sure you're a real friend of women. Circumcision is already dying off genius, its only pretty much the US and Israel that heavily practise it. Most of the world isn't even circumcised. Also it was started by men originally to curb masturbation, which it didnt. So the problem was started by men anyways. Also FYI the reason why your rape issue happens, is because most genuine rape cases are a man raping a woman. Yes there are some misinformed cases out there, but it is cause for an entire mens rights movement? Hell no. Also human history is filled with an abundance of examples of men oppressing women, far more than the other way around. Do you really think that your sad group is how to do it? I feel sorry for you. Here's how you have men actually aide/be equal with women: leave this subreddit and go actually fucking talk to them about issues. Instead of hiding in your man caves projecting your own issues onto whatever bullshit suits you. Mens rights? Isn't this whole sub a bunch of white guys, oh trust me you have plenty of rights. If you ever bothered to look it up, you'd see the list of civil rights issues men have had to fight for is pretty much non existent. We don't have paid family leave here, there's no maternity leave. And the amount of parents that have to work two jobs -between both spouses- just to make ends meet is staggering in America. There are no effort being passed restricting access to contraceptives for men as we don't even have any beyond a condom or a surgery. Where as Women can have a difficult time being able to afford something like "The Pill" to avoid unwanted pregnancies'. I feel like none of my points have succeeded in convincing any of you. Many of your conclusions result in "Feminist Bad" or "Hurr durr men need equality!" Even though you have more rights than women do. And you may also not be interested in actually getting help and learning the research on oppression of women and men, but mostly women, because at this point you've been brainwashed to all hell
This entire community is invalid. And you've fallen into the trap of this sad place. I was trying to generate some of the only positive discussions on here. The issue is cultural. And blaming that on women is dooming yourselves because they can be the greatest ally and bringing to light real issues for men. Like the way under reported amount of sexual assaults and rape that happen to men. It's under reported because of very similar social pressures around sexual assault in general that both sexes have to deal with. They could unite rather then blame feminism. They could fucking rally together to fight the systems and cultural pressures in place so that they can be equal. There is enough rights to go around, "rights" are not in limited quantity. Just because women are fighting for more does not mean men get less. What a stupid movement.
Well then you're a cut smarter than the other people men I've had to respond to. You seem like you want equality. Tell you what, Ill offer you this one truth: abandon this subreddit. Its toxic for you and for everyone else who want equality. Men are not oppressed enough to warrant a movement. Over 70% of Redditors are young white American men. Otherwise known as the majority of this sub, and some of the least oppressed people on this planet. I beg of you iainmf! Do you want to waste time of your life fighting for a cause that doesn't deserve it? They've appealed to you. Appealed to the fact that you want to br a part of a community. They take disconnected examples of SOME women doing bad things to men, and they connect the dots conspiracy theory style. They go "See?! We're objectified too, so we need to fight for our rights!" Which is wrong. It's an inherently flawed 'logic'. Think about it, think about how many rights men have in US. There are not bills being passed saying a man cannot masturbate. We don't have paid family leave here, there's no maternity leave. And the amount of parents that have to work two jobs -between both spouses- just to make ends meet is staggering in America. There are no effort being passed restricting access to contraceptives for men as we don't even have any beyond a condom or a surgery. Men have legal rights. More legal rights then women do, in America. Never had to fight to vote unless you were a POC. Never had to fight for the right to even hold a job in office (again unless you're POC). Never had to fight for the right to divorce. Whereas women can have a difficult time being able to afford something like "The Pill" to avoid unwanted pregnancies'.The issue is cultural. And blaming that on women is dooming yourselves because they can be the greatest ally and bringing to light real issues for men. This subreddit builds a very unhealthy way of looking at feminism and men as a whole. Abandon it. Go talk to a feminist organization about their issues and your own. Its not like they won't listen. Their goal is equality as well as yours, in a healthier way. You could moderate for them.
[–]ToyGunTerrorist 2 points3 points4 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[+]brandothefish1 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
Anyone can blindly follow a false ideology because of underlying psychological issues. For example, you. If you had any amount of critical thinking/wisdom, you'd realize the inherent flaws within this group, and then leave it. You've been brainwashed, and I guess you didn't even realize it. Leave before it's too late. A guy not getting laid does not equate to "hur dur all women don't understand muh pain! Women are evil and I will fight for muh rights!" The unfortunate thing about Mens Rights activists is that many of your concerns are addressed and fought for by current wave Feminists, but you guys are so incredibly sexist that you refuse to read the actual literature and talking points that have been pushed by activists because feminists are generally women.
[–]ToyGunTerrorist 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Osteo_Warrior 2 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]coconutcombo 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Jakes1967 1 point2 points3 points (8 children) | Copy Link
[+]brandothefish1 points [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link
😂I could give you idiots the highest praised source known to humankind, and you'd call it trash because it counters your flawed ideals.
[–]Jakes1967 1 point2 points3 points (6 children) | Copy Link
[–]brandothefish 0 points1 point2 points (5 children) | Copy Link
[–]Jakes1967 0 points1 point2 points (4 children) | Copy Link
[+]brandothefish1 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link
Okay so Micheal Kimmel being a creep makes your movement valid? I don't think that's how logic works buddy. There's still plenty of points in that article (and many other articles) that demonstrate how flawed this organization's approach to civil rights is. Also I strongly bet that the woman who wrote this would completely shit on this subreddit. Maybe if you actually read my replies to other comments here, you'd be a tad more educated. But whatever, you might've been brainwashed to the point of no return already. I certainly hope not.
[–]Jakes1967 0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[+]brandothefish1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
Alright so I wasn't aware of Kimmel's transgressions until you brought it up. Even then, the points made in the Cracked article from the other contributors still stand. I mean did you even bother to read the whole thing? Of course not, because it counters your skewed worldview. And I highly doubt you've read many articles criticizing the MRA. It's perfectly logical to hear from the opposing side, otherwise known as gathering data. There doesn't have to be "opposition" having this battle-type mindset isn't going to get you very far in relations with women. You have built for yourself a foolish bias. Oh the obscure and rewarded ones you say? Wow, I didn't know we had a real sleuth on our hands here. Also I don't care for however many years you've studied social sciences. You hate on feminism just like every other moron here. By the way SCUM actually wouldn't be a bad motto for you guys. A bunch of white guys thinking they're oppressed in America. What a joke. Yes some court cases are unfair to men, and yes there is the raping of men as well. Does this warrant raising awareness? Sure. Does this mean that there should be an entire movement revolving around "fighting for a man's rights! We''re being silenced hurr durr!"? No, it's silly. Men have so many damn rights. Its almost as if they still mostly run many societies. What a complete shocker. Every post on this godforsaken subreddit has involved a circlejerk that doesn't get anything done. Also for thousands of years women have been persecuted and violated in many places, and yet I guess you want to ignore human history. But of course that would require you to "educate yourself" and I see that backfiring for you. We should collaborate in a healthy way that involves working with women. Also just because you've "studied for decades" doesn't make you correct. Look at Jordan Peterson, the man had a Phd and yet is a complete moron on so many topics. Ironic. You say you're not interested in taking a side and yet you very clearly are not willing to criticize this group. Nevermind, there's no convincing you, and I think you're definitely too far gone now.
[–]Jakes1967 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]aussietoads 0 points1 point2 points (5 children) | Copy Link
[–]brandothefish 0 points1 point2 points (4 children) | Copy Link
[–]aussietoads 1 point2 points3 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[+]brandothefish1 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
Riiiiight, says the person who didn't even read it because it counters your flawed worldview. Maybe if you had actually read and absorbed what it said, you'd start criticizing your own organization. But of course that'd require you to have actual critical thinking skills. As opposed to trusting some sexist dudes on a subreddit, who are probably a bunch of white American guys. Who happen to be very very privileged with plenty of rights, but like to think they should have a movement? It's really stupid. There are issues with how men are raised and treated in our society but "rights" just simply isn't one of them.
[–]aussietoads 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Jakes1967 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Symos404 0 points1 point2 points (7 children) | Copy Link
[+]brandothefish0 points [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link
I could site you God himself, and you'd still say he's full of shit. Face it, you've been brainwashed, and foolishly think that women are the source of your problems. But you probably won't admit it.
[–]Symos404 1 point2 points3 points (5 children) | Copy Link
[+]brandothefish1 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link
I am not blaming any genders at all. And if we're specifically talking about mens rights, then its your perception of women that is in fact the problem. You've fallen into the trap of this sad place. The issue is cultural. And blaming women is dooming yourselves because they can be the greatest ally and bringing to light real issues for men. Like the way under reported amount of sexual assaults and rape that happen to men. It's under reported because of very similar social pressures around sexual assault in general that both sexes have to deal with. They could unite rather then blame feminism. They could fucking rally together to fight the systems and cultural pressures in place so that they can be equal. There is enough rights to go around, "rights" are not in limited quantity. Just because women are fighting for more does not mean men get less. What a stupid movement. Please escape before its stupidity consumes you.
[–]Symos404 2 points3 points4 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[+]brandothefish1 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
Oh yeah, Im sure you're a real friend of women. Circumcision is already dying off genius, its only pretty much the US and Israel that heavily practise it. Most of the world isn't even circumcised. Also it was started by men originally to curb masturbation, which it didnt. So the problem was started by men anyways. Also FYI the reason why your rape issue happens, is because most genuine rape cases are a man raping a woman. Yes there are some misinformed cases out there, but it is cause for an entire mens rights movement? Hell no. Also human history is filled with an abundance of examples of men oppressing women, far more than the other way around. Do you really think that your sad group is how to do it? I feel sorry for you. Here's how you have men actually aide/be equal with women: leave this subreddit and go actually fucking talk to them about issues. Instead of hiding in your man caves projecting your own issues onto whatever bullshit suits you. Mens rights? Isn't this whole sub a bunch of white guys, oh trust me you have plenty of rights. If you ever bothered to look it up, you'd see the list of civil rights issues men have had to fight for is pretty much non existent. We don't have paid family leave here, there's no maternity leave. And the amount of parents that have to work two jobs -between both spouses- just to make ends meet is staggering in America. There are no effort being passed restricting access to contraceptives for men as we don't even have any beyond a condom or a surgery. Where as Women can have a difficult time being able to afford something like "The Pill" to avoid unwanted pregnancies'. I feel like none of my points have succeeded in convincing any of you. Many of your conclusions result in "Feminist Bad" or "Hurr durr men need equality!" Even though you have more rights than women do. And you may also not be interested in actually getting help and learning the research on oppression of women and men, but mostly women, because at this point you've been brainwashed to all hell
[–]Symos404 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Jakes1967 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]iainmf[M] 0 points1 point2 points (4 children) | Copy Link
[+]brandothefish1 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link
This entire community is invalid. And you've fallen into the trap of this sad place. I was trying to generate some of the only positive discussions on here. The issue is cultural. And blaming that on women is dooming yourselves because they can be the greatest ally and bringing to light real issues for men. Like the way under reported amount of sexual assaults and rape that happen to men. It's under reported because of very similar social pressures around sexual assault in general that both sexes have to deal with. They could unite rather then blame feminism. They could fucking rally together to fight the systems and cultural pressures in place so that they can be equal. There is enough rights to go around, "rights" are not in limited quantity. Just because women are fighting for more does not mean men get less. What a stupid movement.
[–]iainmf 0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[+]brandothefish1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
Well then you're a cut smarter than the other people men I've had to respond to. You seem like you want equality. Tell you what, Ill offer you this one truth: abandon this subreddit. Its toxic for you and for everyone else who want equality. Men are not oppressed enough to warrant a movement. Over 70% of Redditors are young white American men. Otherwise known as the majority of this sub, and some of the least oppressed people on this planet. I beg of you iainmf! Do you want to waste time of your life fighting for a cause that doesn't deserve it? They've appealed to you. Appealed to the fact that you want to br a part of a community. They take disconnected examples of SOME women doing bad things to men, and they connect the dots conspiracy theory style. They go "See?! We're objectified too, so we need to fight for our rights!" Which is wrong. It's an inherently flawed 'logic'. Think about it, think about how many rights men have in US. There are not bills being passed saying a man cannot masturbate. We don't have paid family leave here, there's no maternity leave. And the amount of parents that have to work two jobs -between both spouses- just to make ends meet is staggering in America. There are no effort being passed restricting access to contraceptives for men as we don't even have any beyond a condom or a surgery. Men have legal rights. More legal rights then women do, in America. Never had to fight to vote unless you were a POC. Never had to fight for the right to even hold a job in office (again unless you're POC). Never had to fight for the right to divorce. Whereas women can have a difficult time being able to afford something like "The Pill" to avoid unwanted pregnancies'.The issue is cultural. And blaming that on women is dooming yourselves because they can be the greatest ally and bringing to light real issues for men. This subreddit builds a very unhealthy way of looking at feminism and men as a whole. Abandon it. Go talk to a feminist organization about their issues and your own. Its not like they won't listen. Their goal is equality as well as yours, in a healthier way. You could moderate for them.
[–]iainmf 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link