Trans woman and gay men are not welcomed in the feminist community

DIES-_-IRAE · 2020-04-29T09:13:51+00:00

Why the hell would gay men be welcomed in the feminist community?

And as for trans woman der issues are different they literally cannot have bottom surgery if they are not intact (uncircumcised) and that's a men's rights issue not a feminist issue(they areeassholes anyway all der website compares fgm and mgm and dismisses the argument).

Welcome to men's rights community.

Issues affecting gay men :- 1.Circumcision 2.Gender bias in criminal courts 3.Workplace fatalities 4. Pension gap 5. False accusations 6. Scholarship gap (95% scholarships aimed at women) 7. Discrimination in schools/University

For trans women:- 1. Lower sentences to criminals who assault trans woman. 2. Harassment by the same radical chimpanzees 3. Intactivism 4. Awareness about testicular cancer/prostate cancer.

And many others. Maybe I put it okayish.

tenchineuro · 2020-04-29T10:10:41+00:00

Feminism is above all a political movement. It uses gender, it uses faith, is uses sex - but feminism is not fundamentally psychology, it is not fundamentally a religion, it is not fundamentally medicine - it is a political movement that uses those things pragmatically.

Feminism works politically on behalf of women, or in the name of women, sees women as it's constituency, against everyone else - all other politics, all other constituencies.

Now, it is a lot easier to fight politics and gain by it if you can fight a zero sum game in a two party system, what you take from the other party goes to you or it just disappears.

Feminism vs. everyone else is not really women vs. men. All women are not feminists, some men are feminists, but this was manageable because the only two parties in the political space of gender were feminism, representing women, and everyone else who could all be lumped together as that second party, sometimes called 'patriarchy' but cast as representing men.

Really, it's feminism vs. everyone else. the more distinct groups there are in that fight the worse it is for feminism, and since feminism is ascendant, the better it is for everyone else.

So, as an interest group becomes relevant feminism seeks to capture it politically. Gays are relevant, feminism wants to capture gays. If feminism can not capture gays, that does not mean that men have captured them. If they do their own thing than suddenly feminism vs. everyone else is a three way battle. Something may be lost by men that is not gained by feminism and does not disappear, the zero sum is gone. Something can be lost by feminism by having been gained by men, or it can be lost by feminism and gained by gays.

Gays and lesbians. Gays and lesbians and bisexuals. Gays and lesbians and bisexuals and transgender people. rearrange that, ladies first, lesbians and gays and bisexuals and transgender people. This has been the political evolution of the 'everyone else' that feminism has been cultivating in order to maintain it's two party political zero sum game.

Just as not all women are feminists, not all lesbians, not all gays, not all bisexuals and not all trans people are feminists. But as they gain and maintain relevance, and as they find, many of them, that they do not want to be a part of that single 'non feminist' group sometimes called patriarchy and branded (mostly by the feminists) as being pro male, they have a real potential to open new political fronts where, going after the big fish, they will go after feminism.

The actual elimination of gender inequality under the law, either through the ERA or through gender self identification will serve only to remove female privilege. Feminists very much do not want that. The only politically doable option to remove that distinction and to thus kneecap feminism by eliminating 'women' as a political category is transgender law. Not transgender medicine, not hormones or surgeries or pronouns or bathrooms or any of the medical or psychological issues around transgender, just the LAW.

You are who you say you are. Identify in any way that suits your rational self interest. No requirement to dress a certain way, no requirement or even implication of dysphoria, either physical body dysmorphia or psychological gender dysphoria.

Trans law represents an existential threat to feminism. Many feminists are aware of this, and they tend to think in terms of LGBT because that was the bundle they created to capture those people politically, therefor some of them also see gay men and bisexuals as dangerous.

perplexedm · 2020-04-29T10:03:34+00:00

Trans movement have been totting 'patriarchy', all such run off the mill feminist bullshit and was routinely against men and men's rights. They thought acting feminine and supporting feminism will get them approved by women and feminine movements. Little did they knew they were being used as a tool against men to propagate hate and vengeance by feminist hate cult.

Women taking their children for hormone blocking treat, converting them to gays, etc. as revenge against fathers or because of general hate against men itself prove it. Feminists looks down on trans, gay people. It was fun when it lasted, now cannot pass on the ultimate victimhood card benefits to others.

PandaLover135 · 2020-04-29T13:37:28+00:00

I've found that a shocking amount of feminists are TERFs (Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists) Very Transphobic, Usually Homophobic, and are disgusted with men.

KitKat-PaddyWack · 2020-04-29T09:25:38+00:00

Those people are called terfs (trans exclusionary radial feminists). They're like the alt right of feminism, and much like the alt right, dont represent the whole group. They are hateful and most people who identify as feminist accept trans people AND acknowledge the injustices men face today. Frankly as with EVERY school of thought, there are many different opinions and ideas and some people will always take their beliefs to an extreme and hateful place.

Title	Trans woman and gay men are not welcomed in the feminist community
Author	GayFans
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Date	April 29, 2020 8:54 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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