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Foreskin reclaimers: the ‘intactivists’ fighting infant male circumcision

Tchulkaturin-1850

July 21, 2019
49 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jul/21/foreskin-reclaimers-the-intactivists-fighting-infant-male-circumcision
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Title Foreskin reclaimers: the ‘intactivists’ fighting infant male circumcision
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Tchulkaturin-1850

Upvotes 49
Comments 26
Date July 21, 2019 4:53 PM UTC
(6 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/cg158i/foreskin_reclaimers_the_intactivists_fighting/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/foreskin-reclaimers-the-intactivists-fighting.873004
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Comments

[–]JohnKimble111 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Archive: https://archive.fo/DW3W1

[–]cmtenten 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you, fuck The Guardian.

[–]DragonCandidfruit 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Did you know baby foreskin is used by scientists for skin grafting? I am not making this shit up.

[–]Doobie_2325555 -3 points-2 points-1 points 7 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

This topic frequently gets brigaded by people too cowardly to be open bigots.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

How does opposing this practice being forced upon infants make you a bigot?

[+]Doobie_2325555 -7 points-6 points-5 points 7 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

The context of the arguments matter. If someone is just against it they're not necessarily a bigot. If they're against it and want roitine medical circumcisions not paid for by the public they're still not bigoted.

But the loudest voices here at least call for it to be illegal knowing that that is not acceptable to the Constitution and religious minorities. Thats the dividing line for motivation of bigotry as I see it. And its telling the bigots don't get shouted down by the average commentator in this sub.

[–]KBD20 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wanting it illegal is bigoted because religious freedom?

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Those religious "rights" can get fucked, if it oppresses minorities I say they can go ahead and be oppressed, if they want to butcher babies and drink their blood they can go back to their shithole countries and leave there kids behind in countries that are actually civilised, hopefully one day they'd have no where on earth left to go where such an evil is legal.

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If what I said is openly bigoted then yes I'm a huge bigot against true sinners.

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TL;DR: Your rights end where anothers begin

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Concerning religion my understanding shared by many is that in the case of children you cannot actually determine or predetermine the religion of someone else including your own children as that requires self determination.

Children can only be given direction concerning religion therefore making permanent irreversible decisions for a child like modifying genitals on the basis of religion exceeds the religious rights a parent holds.

I fail to see how this makes someone a bigot. Opposing circumcision of children because you are pro the protection of a child’s rights but having to make an allowance for some children because of a preference held by their parents can not be rationalised.

[–]intactisnormal 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

If someone wants to circumcise themself for their own religion, they are absolutely free to do so. However, they may not choose to circumcise someone else. If that person grows up and wants to circumcise himself for his own chosen religion, he is absolutely free to do so. There is no infringement on someone's religious rights.

[–]Doobie_2325555 -3 points-2 points-1 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This is the type of cowardly bigot I mentioned earlier. Knowingly suggests an unacceptable alternative.

[–]intactisnormal 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's perfectly acceptable for people to circumcise themselves. So your attempted claim is baseless. You haven't even said why you think it's "unacceptable".

I also find it humorous when you accuse "cowardly" when I'm directly countering you, to you.

[–]intactisnormal 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No response. Priceless.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Allow those inclined to continue their blood rituals in the name of their religion. It should be banned only for all non religious purposes. That means no hospital procedures. Must be performed by a mohel in a ceremonial setting.

Allow the religiously devout to keep doing it since it is so important to them. Maybe when their boys grow up and find themselves a small minority of anatomically incorrect adult men, they will come to their senses. But you can't force them to stop. That will only happen when they decide to stop.

[–]Kuato2012 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

Religious freedom doesn't supercede basic human rights. Some religious minorites also want female genital mutilation to be legal. Fuck them, and fuck supporters of male genital mutilation.

[+]bellator98761 points 7 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Which religion is this?

[–]Kuato2012 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Mostly a subset of Islam, but also small subsets of Christianity and Judaism.

[+]bellator98761 points 7 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

I've never heard of this in christianity in the US, Judaism either. Not that the US is the end all, and be all, of the two religions, but its where I live. I know it's not in any church I went to.

[–]Kuato2012 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, they're mostly restricted to a few specific African populations. Islam is the more common offender, as I understand it.

[+]mimminou -26 points-25 points-24 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

It's a cultural / Religious Practice , it isn't going to hurt anybody or anything ( except some peoples thinking it's child abuse and the trauma will follow the child forever and whatnot ) ... surgery nowadays is done in an anesthetic way so even the child won't feel anything .. i mean i'm old enough to enjoy the experience to it's fullest and i have say it didn't even hurt that much ... So i would say that spending resources on much important stuff is ... advisable

[–]RightTwiceADay80 16 points17 points18 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There is no anesthetic when performing on babies or any medical need in most cases. It's a barbaric practice performed on children to satisfy the sick fetish of adults like yourself.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Look up a vid of it on YouTube. Shit's awful

[–]lastlaugh100 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I am an anesthesia provider. You can't get informed consent from an infant for unnecessary surgery. Circumcision is medicalized mutilation. In California it's difficult to even find providers to do this because the rates are so low.

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Intact men are not walking around with penises that are about to explode. The foreskin protects the penis and enhances sexual pleasure due to sensitive nerve endings at the tip called the "ridged band" that control the ejaculation reflex.

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Anatomy and physiology of the foreskin:

http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/cold-taylor/

[–]Jenocyd 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The only religion is that it was brought to the USA by quakers such as Kellogg, who wanted everyone to stop eating meat and to basically live crappy starving lives with no sex. Old Talmudic circumcision was dredged up in the Victorian age because of how puritanical they were and was imported willingly by the puritans in the USA.

It’s anathema and excommunication for a catholic to circumcise their children and considered a denial of Christ and his death on the cross. (Council of Florence).

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Infant male circumcision is a gross and blatant gender inequality so hypocritical that stating it doesn’t hurt anyone or anything says your eyes are closed firmly.

[–]intactisnormal 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If someone wants to circumcise themself for their own religion, they are absolutely free to do so. However, they may not choose to circumcise someone else. If that person grows up and wants to circumcise himself for his own chosen religion, he is absolutely free to do so. There is no infringement on someone's religious rights.

[–]KBD20 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Gods not real, if it was real those subhuman.... no, sub-lifeform practices would land filth like that in hell anyway.

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